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this hope radio for the masses headliner

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between July 8 1947 the on the airport

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who has announced on applying this has

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been found and is now in the possession

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of the army the game is rigged change

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the game changer I occasionally think

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how quickly our differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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this is fade to black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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network and K GRA

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I need your help to get to the year

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black with Jimmy judge only game change

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140 days into the new year

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Olli 228 days left is that right that's

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368 days my math is off is 366 right

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it's leap year

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backpack

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of beautiful downtown Burbank

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California and I would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the United States

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hither and thither to and fro back and

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this is fade to black for KJ Sierra the

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game changer network and kg are in the

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planets I am your host Jimmy Church

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what is crack and everybody how you

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doing how you doing that Grace Jones Wow

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Wow man oh man all right yeah just

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checking out Twitter that's what I was

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doing right there follow me on twitter

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IG Church radio hashtag F to B is the

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sandbox you can come and check out

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everything that I am looking at in real

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time from Tampa rig from Tara Cassandra

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Donnie John yeah yeah Kevin Brad you

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guys are good you guys are funny it's

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funny with these yeah funny mark Cory

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that's a good one that's a good one

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little Frank Zappa just came in yeah

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it's pretty good stuff at J Church radio

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hashtag you have to be right there on

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Twitter tonight back with this is Gregg

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Housh there is you know Gregg is our

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hacker anonymous in residence that's

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that's that's Gregg that's Gregg when it

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comes to fade to black and we get you

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know breaking news on the internet and

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hacking and all that you know that's you

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know I got the hotline to the guy right

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I can pick up the phone and call Greg go

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man have you heard about this

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and you know it's about everything - by

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the way absolutely knows about

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everything so there is a huge story

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right now and that is a law firm in New

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York City and said by many to be the top

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the tippity-top entertainment law firm

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in the world has been hacked by a group

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called our evil and it is huge news it's

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huge news for a lot of different reasons

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and but we're gonna go through all of

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that tonight with Greg

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and over the weekend they upped their

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ransom demand from 21 million dollars to

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42 million dollars and they said the

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reason for that is with the 750

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gigabytes of secret data that we stole

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from you in that there is dirt on

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President Trump and you have seven days

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to pay up okay or we're gonna release it

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in a game of you know it's a poker match

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right it's poker going on here and

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that's what we're gonna cover tonight

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and why do this why why do this all

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right why and we're gonna find out

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tonight it is very interesting and the

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other part about this and of course Greg

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will be here in a few minutes to talk

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about it is that President Trump you

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know like him or not and we're just

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talking about the facts here President

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Trump was not appears to not have been a

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client of this law firm so what is it in

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these files if there is anything in

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these files right we don't know these

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answers it's very very very interesting

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okay so we'll be talking about all of

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that tonight tomorrow night right here

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in this program dr. Robert M shock he is

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here for our gobekli tepe special event

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we have done five of those now we did

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and we've done five gobekli tepe special

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events you know one per year

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maybe skipped a couple of years I'm

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thinking five five might be the right

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number dr. Robert Schoch was just there

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he was researching the site and filming

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a documentary he is back and we're gonna

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talk about everything we're gonna go

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into the history of Gobekli Tepe the

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prehistory and the thing is as we all

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know by now especially for the listeners

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to this program if there is prehistory

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to gobekli tepe

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then we are headed back backwards into

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the Ice Age that's right and that is

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when gobekli tepe was built at the end

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of ordering still possibly during the

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last ice age how's that possible you

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know and and obviously there were Homo

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sapiens sapiens running around on this

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planet during the Ice Age but weren't

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they south right where the heat is where

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the food is you live where the heat is

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you live where the food is who was

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living up there during that okay so

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anyway that is tomorrow night looking

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forward to that nothing like gobekli

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tepe and fade to black that's a perfect

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evening here Thursday night continuing

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an amazing week here on fade to black

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we're not gonna have a fete or night no

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we're not gonna do open lines on

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Thursday because Linda Moulton Howe is

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joining us and she will be here to

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present all of her coronavirus and kovat

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19 research done the only way that Linda

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can do it that is interviewing people

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and and peeling back the layers and

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we're gonna do all of that we have leftt

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coronavirus alone on this show for two

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months okay now that we've got enough

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time behind us and we are able to gather

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information and and get our our heads

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around this this thing that is going on

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and continues to go on Linda has had the

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collect all of this for the show on

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Thursday night so get ready Thursday

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night Linda Moulton Howe okay all right

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I just said at the top of the show

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follow me on twitter at J Church radio

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okay now if you head over to Jimmy

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church radio calm I'm kicking back by

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the way got my feet up on my footrest

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which is underneath and then I'm able to

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Jimmy and Jimmy church radio calm we

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have to chat rooms open one over at

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of course we have everybody hanging out

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with us over on YouTube hello youtube I

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you're doing Twitter Facebook and with

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all of the live streams and the video

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which are should be now in glorious HD

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high definition we should start out the

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show each night remember when NBC would

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do the peacock right in living color

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tamales the candy I used to love those I

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used to love I had friends that rejected

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hot tamales not me man knew who know

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those you that's Fistful absolutely

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email is Jimmy at Jimmy J radio calm I

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feel great I feel great because I take

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my vitamins every day I take all of my

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supplements every single day I have not

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missed a day I take every single day I

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take Moringa and I take pine bark

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extract and olive leaf extract I take

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multivitamins man I take bee pollen

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every single day I drink the Super T

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from get the t.com every single day this

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is what I do my immune system is maxed

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out its word should be I want you to get

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your immune system boosted head over to

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get the t-dot-com

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and you know with all of the

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conversation that is going on right now

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about coronavirus and round two and

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coming back and people that were

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infected or getting reinfected you know

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it's your immune system

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that's that that's the key here so I

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want you to get your immune system

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boosted go to get the t-dot-com and head

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to their specials page it's right there

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they have an immunity booster and pack

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right there that you can get and if you

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use the promo code Vader FA de R you're

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gonna get free shipping on an already

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are at chibi Church radio.com I am

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really enjoying getting all the feedback

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from everybody about Billy Carson's new

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internet TV network and I'm watching the

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comments and people referring me to

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programming over hat forbidden knowledge

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TV that is very very cool you need to go

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and check it out right now Billy

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Carson's internet TV network and the

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banners are right there to maturity that

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out all of the amazing stuff that Billy

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Carson's got for all of us over at

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forbidden knowledge TV and River Moon

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coffee there you go River Moon coffee

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and and coffees that they sell all you

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Jimmy our emcee over at Amazon with

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their Amazon store let's get to this

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breaking news criminals now we're

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talking about hacking tonight and with

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Gregg Housh and then we get this news

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today because criminals gained access to

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emails and travel history for around

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nine million customers of British budget

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airline easyJet and obtaining the credit

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card details of more than 2000 of them

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easyJet is communicating with

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approximately nine million customers

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whose travel details were accessed to

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advise them of protective steps to

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minimalize any risk a potential phishing

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we'll notify everyone who was affected

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easyJet said it had contacted forensic

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experts to investigate the hack and the

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National Cyber Security Center

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absolutely incredible

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hacking goes on every single day and

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it's you know look it's it's simple

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never click on a link okay

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it never click on a link you get a link

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in private and a private message don't

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the email don't click on it ever I get

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email all the time for people that I

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know that they have been jeopardized and

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I get these crazy hey Jimmy you know and

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don't click that link man man man I get

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notifications from our cybersecurity

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firm all day long threats secured this

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is now in quarantine this email came

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from Sola so and it was infected with

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this I get 10 of those a day and we have

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email that's on lockdown I mean I don't

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get email from from anybody that I don't

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know okay I have no idea how many emails

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are rejected all day long I have no idea

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I don't keep the count I don't I don't I

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don't know get way too much email I

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don't keep up on it but I do see all of

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these threats and they come in all day

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long I don't click on anything

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somebody's got something to say I read

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it I'll type something back if I need to

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do that you know thank you

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cool boom done send but I don't click on

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a link I don't do it I don't do it don't

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ever click on them who clicks on a link

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today in email you know and if you get a

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virus you get malware because you

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clicked on a link that's your fault

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that's that's internet that's internet

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101 man you don't click on links ever do

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you ever see me post something hey man

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check this out new clicks on links

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nobody alright

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crazy news today out of NASA the head of

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NASA's human spaceflight office right

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the dude that is the head of sending

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astronauts into space that guy has

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resigned just one week before NASA is

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expected to launch three astronauts from

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American soil for the first time in

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nearly a decade

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but he resigned today Douglas lavarro

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has served as the associate

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administrator for the human exploration

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and operations Mission Directorate for

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just seven months he took over the job

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in October after his predecessor William

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a Gersten Mayer was demoted and

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eventually left NASA lavarro

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who previously worked at the

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super-secret National Reconnaissance

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Office said he was leaving the agency

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and I'm quoting here with a very very

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heavy heart after making some mistake

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during his tenure and now this is all

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according to a letter that he wrote

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directly to NASA and its employees now

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remember next week on May 27th next week

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NASA plans to send two astronauts to

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their I said three two astronauts to the

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International Space Station aboard the

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SpaceX crew Dragon capsule the first

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time since the retirement of the space

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shuttle program back in 2011 that

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astronauts will launch from US soil this

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is a big deal but today neither SpaceX

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or NASA has made any public comment on

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the current shake-up okay

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let's hope that this launch happens on

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time next week on the 27th in more

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the news do you thrive in a social

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isolation do you

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NASA is looking for people to spend

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eight months locked up in a Russian lab

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for a new experiment that's right you've

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always wanted to do this when humans

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return to the moon and travel to Mars

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they will need to be prepared for

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long-duration space travel and even

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longer days on these far-off

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destinations some like a commercial

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don't I yeah

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currently NASA's Artemis program aims to

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land humans on the moon for the first

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time since NASA's Apollo 17 mission

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landed back in 1972 in the upcoming NASA

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Russia experiment a crew will live in

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isolation in a closed facility at

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Russia's Institute for biomedical

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problems which is in Moscow NASA's

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looking for highly motivated US citizens

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between the ages of 30 and 55 dang it I

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almost made the cut

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must speak both Russian in English and

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not quite with me have an MS PhD or MD

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or military officer training and

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applicants with a bachelor's degree or

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other relevant experience may also be

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considered you want to sign up just go

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to NASA's website it's probably nasa.gov

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or something like that now let's get

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this show cracking happy birthday to

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today Pete Townsend is 75 saxophonist

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Tom Scott is 72 the LA Express Blues

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Brothers Saturday and live ZZ Top's

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dusty hill today 71 a cdc's phil rudd

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today is only 66 our dead guys birthday

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today is Joey Ramone 1951 to 2001 died

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at the age of 49

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of course musician singer songwriter and

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lead vocalist of the punk rock band The

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Ramones Joey Ramones image voice and gig

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as frontman of the Ramones made him

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a counter cultural icon Joey died at the

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age of 49 following a seven-year battle

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with lymphoma at New York Presbyterian

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Hospital on April 15 2001 a month before

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he would have turned 50 he was listening

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to the song in a little while by u2 when

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he died on this day in history 1967 the

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Soviets ratified a treaty banning

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nuclear weapons from outer space after

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the United States Great Britain and

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several dozen other nations had already

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signed and/or ratified the treaty Fader

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fact in Switzerland applications for

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citizenship are decided at the municipal

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level that's right

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therefore if your neighbors and your

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friends find you annoying they can vote

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to deny your citizenship that's right

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one woman a vegan spoke out about the

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tradition in Switzerland of putting

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bells around the necks of cows while

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this pissed off everyone this offended

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her neighbors they voted and she was

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denied her passport her activism they

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said displayed a lack of respect for the

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villages and the country's cultural

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traditions and she had demonstrated all

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of that disrespect in public and that is

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your favor fact tonight Greg house is

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here we're going to be talking about

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hacking it's gonna be a great show

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tomorrow night Robert Schoch Thursday

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night Linda Moulton Howe now let me hit

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this River moon coffee Rita and I were

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practicing this today Rita does it

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pretty good too man have me laughing so

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earlier today after reading so much

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about the fact-checking bots that are

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following everybody on Facebook and how

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to block them I decided to check it out

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and see if all the dry

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was true well the short answer is yes

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it's true I can say with a fair amount

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of confidence that you right you have a

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fact-checking bot right now following

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you on facebook probably a handful

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these are followers of your facebook

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facebook profile not friends okay

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there's a difference now today I found

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five that we ran actually named fact

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check bot couldn't believe it or

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something similar to that and these are

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true AI machine learning algorithms

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create to watch you and report on you

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cool absolutely not but with billions of

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users I can't see any other way of

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getting the job done saves money so you

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kind of expect it now today I'm not

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condoning any of this by the way it's

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it's pretty crazy but today I looked and

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I saw that I have just over eight

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thousand followers

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I don't really stay up on those numbers

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and you know whatever but there there it

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is I have over 8,000 followers and it's

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a big number for some and I get that but

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in the real world it's actually very

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very tiny so with that I searched for

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just the word checker instead of fact

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check in my settings and I found out now

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listen to this I found out that I'm

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followed by hundreds of people with the

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name Bob checker FB checker face

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Janet FB check FB checker John what how

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many people can have the last name

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checker how many people can have the

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first name checker or check right then I

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started clicking on the profiles when

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it's like holy crap I'm literally

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followed by a thousand fake back

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checking accounts

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looking at their profile is the profiles

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built you know they've got one post in

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five years you know that has absolutely

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nothing to do with anything it's just a

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fake account crazy and the list every

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time I punched in another search where I

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had hundreds with these with these names

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like check and checker and Facebook and

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FB and face what you know it's and the

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really crazy part about this is that you

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don't get a notification about these

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BOTS or accounts when they follow you

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sure I'll see something from time to

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time that says you know somebody like

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John Johnson you know just followed you

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I get that you know and I see that but

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I've never seen an FB fact-checker just

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followed you on Facebook I've never seen

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that notification and according to these

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numbers that are witnessed today I

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should have seen this a thousand times

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or at least once right I haven't so if

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you're a real person with a god-given

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first or last name of face

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check her checker sorry but you're gonna

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be blocked and you're gonna be blocked

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too soon when any parent that would name

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their child FB fact-check deserves to

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have their offspring blocked from

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facebook it's their fault it's their

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fault not mine not mine personally I

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don't care by the way I don't post

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anything ever that is crossing the line

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of what it's considered decent or of low

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moral character I don't do that

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most of my humor isn't funny and I'm the

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only one usually laughing at it but at

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least it's g-rated and sometimes it's

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even fun for the whole family but 1000

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bots Facebook is that really necessary

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00:29:34,409 --> 00:29:31,360
well let's take a deeper look at this

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you have to ask yourself why right why

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and why are all of these posts suddenly

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popping up on Facebook about these BOTS

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why are those being allowed to fester by

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Facebook if facebook wanted to keep all

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of the seek

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they could without a doubt run these

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spots without you knowing anything about

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it at all the real live humans that are

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employed by Facebook in the tens of

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thousands by the way with millions of

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fake accounts are running around and

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totally unblockable I've tried you can't

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block Facebook security get bit get that

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Facebook security list you go down you

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can block 1 out of 20 right and must be

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an accident so Facebook heads allowed

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this post of mine today to run and yes

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it's about fact checkers complete with a

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screenshot and how to block them it's

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scary

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I know this Facebook knows this and they

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want you to know this it's their way of

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policing all of those posts before they

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get posted it's smart really if you

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think about it remember the next time

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right that you're about to share your

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latest cat video there's a dozen fact

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check BOTS making sure you don't cross

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the line lurking in the background

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creeping I wonder how many fact check

531
00:31:00,840 --> 00:30:58,330
BOTS are following Snopes on Facebook

532
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:00,850
right I just had an idea

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00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:05,410
I should create a Jimmy fact checker

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account and I said follow Snopes and see

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00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:12,550
what happens there you go I got a

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00:31:18,060 --> 00:31:15,850
prediction though I got a prediction the

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Internet's definitive fact-checking

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resource called Snopes will block any

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fact check by following them even if

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it's me a real human seriously this is

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fade to black tonight on this program

542
00:31:35,790 --> 00:31:32,800
Gregg Housh is here we're gonna be

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00:31:38,010 --> 00:31:35,800
discussing the latest hack that has just

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went down in New York City with an

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great week we've got coming up big

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breaking news though going on and we had

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to bring Greg back immediately and

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tonight we're gonna discuss the recent

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hacking of the New York City law firm by

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our evil they stole secret files in

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there demanding ransom of 42 million

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dollars and threatened to reveal dirty

626
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laundry on Donald Trump yeah man Greg

627
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spent much of his teens and early 20s

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evading the FBI every time hey Greg Greg

629
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every time I read I read that line I

630
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just art laughing man early 20s

631
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the FBI but that says it's real it's a

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real part of your life and it's

633
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absolutely crazy you were involved it's

634
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what happened it's sort of right oh man

635
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you do what's next what's in front of

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you you react and that's where all of

637
00:37:02,750 --> 00:36:58,280
those accidents and mistakes he you know

638
00:37:05,180 --> 00:37:02,760
recently because of one of the craziest

639
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days in internet history and the history

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of the world was the day that anonymous

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global protest campaign against the

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Church of Scientology was made public

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and and you guys woke up that morning

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going well I wonder if anything's gonna

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happen right and the next thing you know

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you've got thousands of people at

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different locations around the world all

648
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gathering wearing the Guy Fawkes masks

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00:37:35,780 --> 00:37:32,850
and and the to do hit the fan that day

650
00:37:39,590 --> 00:37:35,790
but check this out recently and I was

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looking up some terms some legal

652
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definitions in some research and in that

653
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I saw that the Church of Scientology is

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no longer allowed to bring or to use the

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court system right they can't do it they

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can't they because they attacked and use

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the court system to

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bring down and vendetta on people that

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they didn't like that now of any lawsuit

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or anything that they do has to be

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approved by the courts before they could

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take a step forward and not many lawyers

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want to represent them anymore because

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of this classification that they've been

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labeled on and I would say that all of

666
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that is largely in part to what went

667
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down back in 2008 man and you're

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responsible you're not you're

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responsible but you played a part in

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that and that's got to make you feel

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pretty good you know what I mean

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it does it does it's always weird

673
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looking back at that stuff and seeing

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the part I played because I know just

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how nothing we thought it was going to

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be how big of a joke we thought we were

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playing for that week right right then

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and then I know the ramifications I know

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what happened and I know how we felt

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afterward and then what actions we took

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that led to all of this and like so I

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you know from the inside it's way

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different than from the outside you

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could almost look at that as an

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unbelievably well planned attack that

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took down this behemoth of a know it

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like we made some well just a lot of

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mistakes and miscalculations that led us

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into a much bigger thing than we had

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ever planned them being in and got very

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lucky that our decisions that we made

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along the way as all those accidents

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fell on our head happened to be the

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right ones to you know get us where we

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are now

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all because of it if you think about it

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lulz it was hilarious we right to make

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we wanted Scientology to believe that

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the Internet itself like some ominous

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anthropomorphic kind of a character the

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Internet was after them they only knew

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right ok it has enough time passed with

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all of this that the statute of

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limitations on pizza deliveries has

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expired I mean on a fair amount of what

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happened back then yeah the statute is

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off so you can admit then that maybe

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delivered a couple hundred pizzas to

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Scientology

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I didn't deliver any pizza some other

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people might have done that one I did my

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fair share of fun stuff yeah absolutely

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man

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absolutely and we're in such a debt to

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you and and all of your friends men you

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have no idea love talking about it and I

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00:40:35,669 --> 00:40:31,269
don't know if you listened to my rant

718
00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:35,679
today but going back to our conversation

719
00:40:42,659 --> 00:40:38,529
that we had a few weeks ago here on fade

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to black you took the opportunity to

721
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just absolutely my brain when we started

722
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to talk about fake Twitter accounts and

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and the ability to do that via software

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and and where that conversation yeah

725
00:40:59,699 --> 00:40:56,079
yeah yeah and where that conversation

726
00:41:02,819 --> 00:40:59,709
took us that night but then after that

727
00:41:04,409 --> 00:41:02,829
really it's weird how everything in the

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00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:04,419
universe is duality man

729
00:41:11,309 --> 00:41:07,689
it's everything happens in pairs and you

730
00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:11,319
just have to be a wide awake to notice

731
00:41:16,369 --> 00:41:12,609
that when it happens because right after

732
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:16,379
that conversation this flurry of

733
00:41:24,089 --> 00:41:20,649
activities surfaced on Facebook and I

734
00:41:26,129 --> 00:41:24,099
ignored it I saw it all but it was

735
00:41:29,789 --> 00:41:26,139
talking about these fact-checking BOTS

736
00:41:31,619 --> 00:41:29,799
and and everybody retweeting go and and

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00:41:34,529 --> 00:41:31,629
get into your security go to blocking

738
00:41:36,149 --> 00:41:34,539
search these keywords and and look at

739
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:36,159
these bots that are there and start

740
00:41:41,399 --> 00:41:38,319
blocking them and deleting them right so

741
00:41:45,779 --> 00:41:41,409
when I see it's all over the place I

742
00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:45,789
ignored it and today I was like okay

743
00:41:50,999 --> 00:41:48,609
alright you know I get another message

744
00:41:53,279 --> 00:41:51,009
from you know a personal friend going

745
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:53,289
you know a personal message going to me

746
00:41:57,989 --> 00:41:55,599
this is is actually pretty real you need

747
00:42:02,429 --> 00:41:57,999
to go and check this out so I did today

748
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:02,439
and and I jumped in and I was shocked

749
00:42:08,729 --> 00:42:06,729
Greg I was shocked to see how many and

750
00:42:13,379 --> 00:42:08,739
and they don't even hide their names

751
00:42:17,489 --> 00:42:13,389
right these BOTS Facebook fact-checking

752
00:42:20,129 --> 00:42:17,499
bots it's what it's called or variations

753
00:42:21,660 --> 00:42:20,139
of that and and I had about a half a

754
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:21,670
dozen of those and

755
00:42:25,230 --> 00:42:23,530
and I blocked them and then got a couple

756
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:25,240
of new ones as soon as those were

757
00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:27,490
blocked and then I started searching

758
00:42:35,609 --> 00:42:30,609
other names you know a facebook checker

759
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:35,619
Facebook check FB check checker and I

760
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:39,010
turns out as you can imagine I know I'm

761
00:42:43,230 --> 00:42:40,690
not surprising you but I'm literally

762
00:42:49,470 --> 00:42:43,240
followed by a thousand people named a

763
00:42:51,839 --> 00:42:49,480
checker where did this you know and and

764
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:51,849
the other bizarre part about this and

765
00:42:55,620 --> 00:42:53,530
again I'm not telling you anything that

766
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:55,630
you don't already know but when you get

767
00:43:01,140 --> 00:42:57,970
facebook notifications about a follower

768
00:43:03,539 --> 00:43:01,150
it pops up right Jane Doe is now

769
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:03,549
following you on facebook right Steve

770
00:43:08,789 --> 00:43:06,400
Jones is now following you on facebook

771
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:08,799
and and you get those but I never got a

772
00:43:14,010 --> 00:43:12,130
notification about Facebook fact-checker

773
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:14,020
is now following you on facebook you

774
00:43:20,099 --> 00:43:17,410
don't get that notification and I was I

775
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:20,109
was shocked I hadn't I had no clue that

776
00:43:24,839 --> 00:43:22,210
this was going on you can assume it's

777
00:43:28,770 --> 00:43:24,849
going on to some degree right of course

778
00:43:31,980 --> 00:43:28,780
but is it necessary to have a thousand

779
00:43:33,569 --> 00:43:31,990
face checking BOTS and people following

780
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:33,579
somebody like me that's never even been

781
00:43:39,329 --> 00:43:36,880
in facebook jail why did they do it

782
00:43:40,859 --> 00:43:39,339
I mean data's money though the more

783
00:43:43,260 --> 00:43:40,869
people they follow the more stuff they

784
00:43:46,380 --> 00:43:43,270
can learn the more they can aggregate

785
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:46,390
into datasets that do fun things train

786
00:43:51,870 --> 00:43:49,599
machine learning like sell the data at

787
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:51,880
other people I mean it's just it's it's

788
00:43:59,220 --> 00:43:55,119
it's all about data at that point is the

789
00:44:02,670 --> 00:43:59,230
is the process in doing this because

790
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:02,680
Facebook is private you know some degree

791
00:44:06,780 --> 00:44:04,089
I mean it's a publicly traded company

792
00:44:10,589 --> 00:44:06,790
but it's not a officially a government

793
00:44:17,809 --> 00:44:10,599
or an organisation yet but is this is

794
00:44:20,579 --> 00:44:17,819
this kind of monitoring legal you know

795
00:44:22,859 --> 00:44:20,589
it's one of those really gray areas

796
00:44:25,980 --> 00:44:22,869
where you've agreed to a Terms of

797
00:44:28,380 --> 00:44:25,990
Service that Facebook will do XY and Z

798
00:44:29,940 --> 00:44:28,390
and then they've agreed to a Terms of

799
00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:29,950
Service you know the other say user

800
00:44:34,140 --> 00:44:31,839
who's now following you that says

801
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:34,150
Facebook will do XY and Z you both have

802
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:35,290
agreed to what you

803
00:44:40,890 --> 00:44:36,970
will do and what you're allowed to do

804
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:40,900
and some of their actions fall well

805
00:44:45,690 --> 00:44:43,090
within the Terms of Service and some do

806
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:45,700
not illegal that's the big question

807
00:44:50,190 --> 00:44:47,890
because is violating a Terms of Service

808
00:44:52,140 --> 00:44:50,200
that you might not have read illegal

809
00:44:54,300 --> 00:44:52,150
that has been tried in court a few

810
00:44:56,730 --> 00:44:54,310
different times and the problem we've

811
00:44:58,350 --> 00:44:56,740
run into is the cases have always ended

812
00:45:00,300 --> 00:44:58,360
up being settled on a completely

813
00:45:03,420 --> 00:45:00,310
different point than that and so we've

814
00:45:05,940 --> 00:45:03,430
never gotten a definitive answer to you

815
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:05,950
know just just how strong that that Tos

816
00:45:14,940 --> 00:45:09,610
is yeah the Terms of Service I would say

817
00:45:17,370 --> 00:45:14,950
any argument laid out in court by any it

818
00:45:19,290 --> 00:45:17,380
could be the plaintiff or a defense

819
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:19,300
attorneys gonna say the exact same thing

820
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:22,000
and everybody understands it that nobody

821
00:45:27,450 --> 00:45:24,730
reads a tos they can there's a little

822
00:45:29,370 --> 00:45:27,460
South Park joke about it yeah yeah oh

823
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:29,380
and yes that's right

824
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:33,730
and the reason is everybody knows that

825
00:45:40,380 --> 00:45:37,090
they have made the type so small the

826
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:40,390
legalese and boilerplate stuff so long

827
00:45:46,350 --> 00:45:44,050
that nobody is ever going to read it

828
00:45:48,090 --> 00:45:46,360
therefore they can bury anything in that

829
00:45:50,730 --> 00:45:48,100
Terms of Service that they want to

830
00:45:53,310 --> 00:45:50,740
you're gonna sign it you're gonna click

831
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:53,320
because you want whatever it is that

832
00:45:59,070 --> 00:45:55,930
they have whether it's software it's a

833
00:46:00,600 --> 00:45:59,080
platform whatever that TOS is you need

834
00:46:02,940 --> 00:46:00,610
it you're gonna click and you're just

835
00:46:05,700 --> 00:46:02,950
assuming that you're in the clear if

836
00:46:08,580 --> 00:46:05,710
anything rises in a legal sense later

837
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:08,590
they they will always say well you you

838
00:46:13,770 --> 00:46:11,170
agreed to the Terms of Service but

839
00:46:17,220 --> 00:46:13,780
everybody knows that nobody reads a term

840
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:17,230
of service right and it's like this

841
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:19,920
conundrum that we find ourselves in I

842
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:22,330
mean every time I see any kind of a

843
00:46:26,100 --> 00:46:24,400
Terms of Service window or do you agree

844
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,110
to this on software window

845
00:46:30,330 --> 00:46:28,960
I literally just glanced at it so I can

846
00:46:32,070 --> 00:46:30,340
find the button I've got a click and

847
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:32,080
jokingly say yep you can have it

848
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:34,570
that's it whatever it is they want click

849
00:46:39,150 --> 00:46:37,810
hey guys I'm not reading that's three

850
00:46:40,530 --> 00:46:39,160
days worth of reading to figure out

851
00:46:41,370 --> 00:46:40,540
whether I'm installing this software or

852
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:41,380
not no thank you

853
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:43,450
yeah that's right it could say something

854
00:46:47,210 --> 00:46:45,760
like and if you don't pay your five

855
00:46:51,070 --> 00:46:47,220
dollars and 99

856
00:46:55,609 --> 00:46:51,080
cents on time we will take your house

857
00:46:57,500 --> 00:46:55,619
could nobody would ever know right yeah

858
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:57,510
and then we just don't know how strongly

859
00:47:00,859 --> 00:46:59,040
they actually hold up in court there's

860
00:47:02,810 --> 00:47:00,869
been a few cases where certain

861
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:02,820
information in them has worked out in in

862
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:05,490
the favor of the the company but overall

863
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:08,160
we don't have a strong precedent set yet

864
00:47:11,839 --> 00:47:09,330
you know all the way up to the Supreme

865
00:47:14,420 --> 00:47:11,849
Court on just how enforceable in terms

866
00:47:16,940 --> 00:47:14,430
of services especially based on how it's

867
00:47:19,370 --> 00:47:16,950
presented like if your website just in a

868
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:19,380
little pop-up says we have one and you

869
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:21,119
should read it and then you know lets

870
00:47:26,030 --> 00:47:23,130
you in does that count as you agreeing

871
00:47:27,620 --> 00:47:26,040
to it or did you have to scroll all the

872
00:47:29,450 --> 00:47:27,630
way to the bottom before the button

873
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:29,460
appeared you know that we don't have a

874
00:47:34,220 --> 00:47:31,530
strong precedent as to what that means

875
00:47:35,900 --> 00:47:34,230
you know there's nothing like say gdpr

876
00:47:38,089 --> 00:47:35,910
is over in europe where they're

877
00:47:40,490 --> 00:47:38,099
controlling how cookies work right where

878
00:47:41,930 --> 00:47:40,500
you have to ask people in a certain way

879
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:41,940
before we believe you got their

880
00:47:46,370 --> 00:47:43,770
permission in terms of services don't

881
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:46,380
work that way and so it'll be really

882
00:47:50,180 --> 00:47:48,450
interesting when a when a real Supreme

883
00:47:52,579 --> 00:47:50,190
Court case actually happens that

884
00:47:54,290 --> 00:47:52,589
actually talks about how they have to

885
00:47:56,839 --> 00:47:54,300
show it to you how they have to prove

886
00:47:58,250 --> 00:47:56,849
that you saw it or it's on your head

887
00:48:00,260 --> 00:47:58,260
because you didn't read it and go find

888
00:48:03,370 --> 00:48:00,270
it yourself and there was a very

889
00:48:06,700 --> 00:48:03,380
exciting thing that happened with the EU

890
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:06,710
last year with the way that websites

891
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:09,570
represented themselves for a lot of

892
00:48:14,839 --> 00:48:11,010
different reasons we don't need to go

893
00:48:17,630 --> 00:48:14,849
into those details but the EU stressed

894
00:48:20,300 --> 00:48:17,640
and this involved everybody from

895
00:48:24,050 --> 00:48:20,310
Facebook on down every if you had a

896
00:48:27,650 --> 00:48:24,060
website on the web you had to comply

897
00:48:30,740 --> 00:48:27,660
with this new EU ruling and if you're a

898
00:48:33,079 --> 00:48:30,750
website like say fade to black that is

899
00:48:35,089 --> 00:48:33,089
seen around the world and it's not

900
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:35,099
limited and everything is seen around

901
00:48:39,339 --> 00:48:36,930
the world and if somebody in Europe is

902
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:39,349
clicking on your website you are now

903
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:44,490
forced into complying well that was

904
00:48:48,859 --> 00:48:46,290
exciting at the time that's you know the

905
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:48,869
EU was taking this initiative but what

906
00:48:53,930 --> 00:48:51,450
it forced everybody to do is to rewrite

907
00:48:57,370 --> 00:48:53,940
their Terms of Service so

908
00:49:00,589 --> 00:48:57,380
everybody right and so all of these new

909
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:00,599
versions of Terms of Service went out

910
00:49:10,009 --> 00:49:04,319
to comply with his regulation and nobody

911
00:49:12,499 --> 00:49:10,019
read it no billions of clicks on tos

912
00:49:14,989 --> 00:49:12,509
--is that wasn't reviewed by one single

913
00:49:18,049 --> 00:49:14,999
user and I can guarantee that but a

914
00:49:20,209 --> 00:49:18,059
bunch of people did see more of those do

915
00:49:21,799 --> 00:49:20,219
you accept our cookies notices yep

916
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:21,809
yep but they just click on the button

917
00:49:27,859 --> 00:49:24,569
without even reading hey I deny cookies

918
00:49:29,959 --> 00:49:27,869
every time I deny you're a very small

919
00:49:30,109 --> 00:49:29,969
percentage of people I divide them every

920
00:49:32,089 --> 00:49:30,119
day

921
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:32,099
it never stops the website from running

922
00:49:36,589 --> 00:49:35,130
so oh no and it usually in the end I

923
00:49:38,449 --> 00:49:36,599
mean half of those tools don't even work

924
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:38,459
in you know the cookies come right

925
00:49:41,749 --> 00:49:40,079
through and you could run other tools

926
00:49:44,089 --> 00:49:41,759
like heck you could run brave browser

927
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:44,099
which is so awesome that it blocks all

928
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:45,599
of the tracking and ads and everything

929
00:49:49,249 --> 00:49:47,729
on every website only of course to

930
00:49:56,209 --> 00:49:49,259
inject all of its own tracking in ads

931
00:49:59,870 --> 00:49:56,219
yeah sure oh man yeah totally totally

932
00:50:03,829 --> 00:49:59,880
totally and now you know today this this

933
00:50:06,380 --> 00:50:03,839
hacking of easyJet which which popped up

934
00:50:09,140 --> 00:50:06,390
and going back to what we're going to be

935
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:09,150
talking about tonight which is this

936
00:50:12,199 --> 00:50:10,559
entertainment law firm out of New York

937
00:50:17,959 --> 00:50:12,209
will get all of that at the top of the

938
00:50:22,189 --> 00:50:17,969
hour but isn't isn't it the accepted

939
00:50:25,069 --> 00:50:22,199
Internet 101 rule number one today that

940
00:50:29,299 --> 00:50:25,079
everybody should be understanding which

941
00:50:33,309 --> 00:50:29,309
is never click on a link right never

942
00:50:35,749 --> 00:50:33,319
click nap when is a when is it a good

943
00:50:39,499 --> 00:50:35,759
acceptable time to click on a link that

944
00:50:41,059 --> 00:50:39,509
somebody has sent you Greg when you know

945
00:50:42,979 --> 00:50:41,069
you've got the right security software

946
00:50:47,029 --> 00:50:42,989
running you know the domain that it's

947
00:50:49,069 --> 00:50:47,039
going to and you have copied the link

948
00:50:51,289 --> 00:50:49,079
not just clicked on it but copied it out

949
00:50:53,449 --> 00:50:51,299
and pasted it in and not pasted it and

950
00:50:54,829 --> 00:50:53,459
just instantly it enter but paste it in

951
00:50:56,659 --> 00:50:54,839
to make sure that it's not some crazy

952
00:50:58,219 --> 00:50:56,669
formatted one that's gonna send you off

953
00:51:00,049 --> 00:50:58,229
because you know one of my favorite

954
00:51:02,419 --> 00:51:00,059
hacks I ever saw in terms of like

955
00:51:05,569 --> 00:51:02,429
getting people to follow links was there

956
00:51:08,349 --> 00:51:05,579
was a URL on Microsoft comm where if you

957
00:51:13,370 --> 00:51:08,359
form this URL by typing in Microsoft com

958
00:51:14,210 --> 00:51:13,380
/r e dir dot JSP slash and then some

959
00:51:16,430 --> 00:51:14,220
other domain name

960
00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:16,440
you would visit it and it looks like

961
00:51:20,300 --> 00:51:17,910
you're going to Microsoft comm because

962
00:51:23,450 --> 00:51:20,310
you are what Microsoft would instantly

963
00:51:24,890 --> 00:51:23,460
redirect you to that other website so

964
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,900
people would send you these Microsoft

965
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:26,640
comm links and you'd think oh it's

966
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:28,050
Microsoft I can click on that it's safe

967
00:51:33,020 --> 00:51:30,960
no it's not read the whole link that's

968
00:51:36,220 --> 00:51:33,030
right now how many people do what you

969
00:51:39,620 --> 00:51:36,230
just said I mean most don't know

970
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:39,630
nobody's attacks work right and and so

971
00:51:45,500 --> 00:51:42,450
the rule of thumb is you know you get an

972
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:45,510
email with a link in it no matter who it

973
00:51:51,140 --> 00:51:48,240
is what it is what the company is never

974
00:51:52,910 --> 00:51:51,150
click on it right just just unless you

975
00:51:55,580 --> 00:51:52,920
asked for it like if you asked for a

976
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:55,590
password reset and then it shows up copy

977
00:51:59,870 --> 00:51:57,330
it paste it in make sure that looks

978
00:52:01,820 --> 00:51:59,880
legit and then click you know the hit

979
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:01,830
the enter button whatever but like you

980
00:52:04,910 --> 00:52:03,210
know if you didn't ask for it and you

981
00:52:06,109 --> 00:52:04,920
get a password reset button don't think

982
00:52:08,690 --> 00:52:06,119
oh I need to visit that website I'm

983
00:52:10,339 --> 00:52:08,700
gonna click the link no no go type it in

984
00:52:10,670 --> 00:52:10,349
and go reset your password just to be

985
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:10,680
safe

986
00:52:20,450 --> 00:52:14,640
yeah I recently I took the initiative

987
00:52:24,770 --> 00:52:20,460
all right I get a paypal email asking

988
00:52:26,750 --> 00:52:24,780
for a couple of specific things and two

989
00:52:31,220 --> 00:52:26,760
I don't want to get into the details of

990
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:31,230
it but to to click on this well I was in

991
00:52:35,839 --> 00:52:33,450
the middle of something with PayPal like

992
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:35,849
the week before and I thought it was

993
00:52:42,349 --> 00:52:38,720
related right and I just looked at it

994
00:52:45,950 --> 00:52:42,359
really really closely and it was like to

995
00:52:48,740 --> 00:52:45,960
paypal.com and and and I looked at it

996
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:48,750
and then it just didn't seem quite right

997
00:52:54,670 --> 00:52:52,170
and it turns out I went to paypal.com

998
00:52:58,910 --> 00:52:54,680
and I looked at a couple of things and

999
00:53:01,099 --> 00:52:58,920
realized it was a phishing email I turn

1000
00:53:03,020 --> 00:53:01,109
around and contacted PayPal they wrote

1001
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:03,030
me back and said could you please just

1002
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:05,130
send us the link and we want to stay on

1003
00:53:09,710 --> 00:53:07,920
top of this and I did and and I sent

1004
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:09,720
them the links and I sent them the

1005
00:53:16,010 --> 00:53:12,570
actual email itself they wrote me back

1006
00:53:19,130 --> 00:53:16,020
and said thank you that people do this

1007
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:19,140
all the time or they mimic our site and

1008
00:53:26,660 --> 00:53:24,690
they mimic the paypal.com address but

1009
00:53:29,630 --> 00:53:26,670
there's always another tag on it that

1010
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:29,640
doesn't make it paypal.com very very

1011
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:30,720
well done

1012
00:53:38,540 --> 00:53:36,480
ingenious how how now in anybody else

1013
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:38,550
that would have seen this definitely

1014
00:53:44,510 --> 00:53:40,650
would have clicked I mean I just got I

1015
00:53:46,940 --> 00:53:44,520
can guarantee the gazhams did yeah and

1016
00:53:49,370 --> 00:53:46,950
the stuff is so easy and cheap for them

1017
00:53:51,500 --> 00:53:49,380
to do at this point that I mean that's

1018
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:51,510
actually one of the funnier things about

1019
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:54,960
what's happening right now with the the

1020
00:54:01,790 --> 00:53:59,040
are evil attack its how simple of an

1021
00:54:03,410 --> 00:54:01,800
attack it actually is now we're gonna

1022
00:54:10,820 --> 00:54:03,420
talk about this when we come back from

1023
00:54:15,579 --> 00:54:10,830
the break and was this initiated because

1024
00:54:18,410 --> 00:54:15,589
they they also they also hit a

1025
00:54:19,490 --> 00:54:18,420
london-based foreign currency dealer

1026
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:19,500
called Travelex

1027
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:21,690
and they asked for six million dollars

1028
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:24,330
and this was last year and they

1029
00:54:28,670 --> 00:54:26,130
threatened to delete customer data and

1030
00:54:31,940 --> 00:54:28,680
you know the normal stuff and and they

1031
00:54:36,410 --> 00:54:31,950
wanted six million Travelex paid 2.3

1032
00:54:39,230 --> 00:54:36,420
million of the ransom and and they ended

1033
00:54:41,540 --> 00:54:39,240
up keeping their services offline for

1034
00:54:46,730 --> 00:54:41,550
several weeks and then Travelex caved in

1035
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:46,740
right but was was this stuff the result

1036
00:54:53,660 --> 00:54:51,690
of a hack or was it you know a phishing

1037
00:54:57,260 --> 00:54:53,670
email that came in and somebody clicked

1038
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:57,270
on on the link inside of the email it

1039
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:00,240
could absolutely be both and I will

1040
00:55:05,870 --> 00:55:04,290
explain that well okay because this one

1041
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:05,880
could be both and I'll explain why I'm

1042
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,720
saying it that way

1043
00:55:11,420 --> 00:55:08,640
okay and we'll do that after the break

1044
00:55:13,609 --> 00:55:11,430
and then there was another situation I

1045
00:55:15,470 --> 00:55:13,619
want to stay on top of this because of

1046
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:15,480
clear way did this this isn't the only

1047
00:55:21,290 --> 00:55:18,000
two that this malware and this team have

1048
00:55:23,420 --> 00:55:21,300
actually done this many times and this

1049
00:55:26,420 --> 00:55:23,430
is a rebrand of another piece of malware

1050
00:55:28,670 --> 00:55:26,430
that puts the actual length of lifetime

1051
00:55:31,490 --> 00:55:28,680
of just this malware and and the people

1052
00:55:34,570 --> 00:55:31,500
using it for this specific course of

1053
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:34,580
action all the way back to early 2018

1054
00:55:39,610 --> 00:55:37,450
and the first group that did it retired

1055
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:39,620
after they had hit about two billion

1056
00:55:49,060 --> 00:55:43,610
dollars made now do you remember the

1057
00:55:53,500 --> 00:55:49,070
series of towns and civic centers in in

1058
00:55:57,790 --> 00:55:53,510
the southeast and hospitals schools

1059
00:55:59,920 --> 00:55:57,800
school systems that were hit and all of

1060
00:56:02,650 --> 00:55:59,930
it was initiated through malware wasn't

1061
00:56:07,180 --> 00:56:02,660
it it was emails that were sent to the

1062
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:07,190
the local government yeah almost all of

1063
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:10,010
that was fishing and all of that was the

1064
00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:13,370
exact same software just older versions

1065
00:56:19,590 --> 00:56:16,250
of of the same tool now I'm source code

1066
00:56:24,100 --> 00:56:19,600
based and everything now these tools

1067
00:56:25,450 --> 00:56:24,110
they're for sale aren't they ah you know

1068
00:56:30,220 --> 00:56:25,460
it's interesting they're not really for

1069
00:56:33,250 --> 00:56:30,230
sale in terms of you can buy our evil or

1070
00:56:35,860 --> 00:56:33,260
the earlier version sea and crab or can

1071
00:56:38,410 --> 00:56:35,870
crab or can crab they many variations of

1072
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:38,420
how you say it but what they are is

1073
00:56:43,570 --> 00:56:40,640
they're actually run as a service so

1074
00:56:46,060 --> 00:56:43,580
this is called ransomware as a service

1075
00:56:48,010 --> 00:56:46,070
you literally sign up as they called

1076
00:56:49,660 --> 00:56:48,020
them affiliates but you sign up and you

1077
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:49,670
get access to this dashboard as if

1078
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:51,200
you've signed up to some other service

1079
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:53,570
online like I don't know Trello or some

1080
00:56:56,970 --> 00:56:54,530
other service where you're playing

1081
00:56:59,590 --> 00:56:56,980
around in a really pretty dashboard and

1082
00:57:01,480 --> 00:56:59,600
it gives you all the tools you need to

1083
00:57:03,490 --> 00:57:01,490
play with to infect people to target

1084
00:57:05,860 --> 00:57:03,500
people you can feed it email lists you

1085
00:57:07,870 --> 00:57:05,870
can feed it IP addresses of networks you

1086
00:57:11,110 --> 00:57:07,880
want to try you canyou can do all kinds

1087
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:11,120
of stuff and on this one

1088
00:57:15,250 --> 00:57:13,130
the affiliates have some choices on how

1089
00:57:16,780 --> 00:57:15,260
the money is processed they can put in

1090
00:57:18,550 --> 00:57:16,790
their own processing details and have a

1091
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:18,560
process through say their own hacked

1092
00:57:23,140 --> 00:57:21,170
merchants accounts but the way that most

1093
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:23,150
people use this tool is you sign up as

1094
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:27,410
an affiliate and then the are evil team

1095
00:57:32,290 --> 00:57:29,810
actually all the money's processed

1096
00:57:34,750 --> 00:57:32,300
through them and they're hacking system

1097
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:34,760
and their processing system and then

1098
00:57:40,450 --> 00:57:37,250
they take their percentage and hand you

1099
00:57:43,230 --> 00:57:40,460
your take so literally you're just using

1100
00:57:47,050 --> 00:57:43,240
a service a cloud provider of ransomware

1101
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:47,060
that's absolutely insane to me ya know

1102
00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:47,810
you don't have

1103
00:57:50,860 --> 00:57:49,520
be a programmer to do it either you when

1104
00:57:52,780 --> 00:57:50,870
you log into the backend of this thing

1105
00:57:54,700 --> 00:57:52,790
you're literally is uploading lists and

1106
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:54,710
playing with a really simple to use

1107
00:58:02,590 --> 00:57:56,480
system I mean it's it's as easy to use

1108
00:58:05,770 --> 00:58:02,600
as notepad the know it ain't no pad the

1109
00:58:08,650 --> 00:58:05,780
basic of the basic basics basics that's

1110
00:58:10,780 --> 00:58:08,660
why he's no pad by the way you copy and

1111
00:58:12,820 --> 00:58:10,790
paste a list of emails out of notepad

1112
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:12,830
and can you hit the button that says

1113
00:58:23,260 --> 00:58:20,450
send and yeah you win and what what what

1114
00:58:27,070 --> 00:58:23,270
do you think no I know I know what do

1115
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:27,080
you think the age range the demographic

1116
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:30,410
of the users of this is is it somebody

1117
00:58:36,490 --> 00:58:33,050
that is you know in their 30s and 40s

1118
00:58:39,070 --> 00:58:36,500
and 50s that have hopefully matured and

1119
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:39,080
wouldn't do anything like this is it a

1120
00:58:45,250 --> 00:58:42,290
younger demographic that quite hasn't

1121
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:45,260
learned life life's lessons on how to be

1122
00:58:51,970 --> 00:58:48,410
a responsible person you know there's a

1123
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:51,980
direct correlation to how scared you

1124
00:58:58,570 --> 00:58:55,250
actually are of the law force nearest

1125
00:59:00,280 --> 00:58:58,580
you catching you or doing anything about

1126
00:59:02,830 --> 00:59:00,290
it or how corrupt you think they might

1127
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:02,840
be saved bribe herbal to the age the

1128
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:04,730
average age of that person so like in

1129
00:59:08,500 --> 00:59:07,130
America usually the average age of

1130
00:59:11,380 --> 00:59:08,510
people who would actually try and do

1131
00:59:14,350 --> 00:59:11,390
this and somehow still live here you're

1132
00:59:16,570 --> 00:59:14,360
looking at you know teens early twenties

1133
00:59:17,890 --> 00:59:16,580
it the latest they get involved maybe

1134
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:17,900
they still keep going for a couple years

1135
00:59:22,300 --> 00:59:19,850
because they're so profitable but it's

1136
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:22,310
really youth oriented here because you

1137
00:59:28,060 --> 00:59:25,490
kind of gotta be brazen enough if you

1138
00:59:30,670 --> 00:59:28,070
will to to do that right you know look

1139
00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:30,680
at a romania or a bulgaria in those

1140
00:59:34,510 --> 00:59:32,720
countries you're gonna see a lot of a

1141
00:59:36,190 --> 00:59:34,520
lot of kids get in but you're gonna see

1142
00:59:38,590 --> 00:59:36,200
them keep going into their 30s into

1143
00:59:40,090 --> 00:59:38,600
their 40s because either they think they

1144
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:40,100
can get away with it because the law is

1145
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:43,370
too busy with other things or they um

1146
00:59:47,380 --> 00:59:45,650
they actually think you know that they

1147
00:59:48,580 --> 00:59:47,390
can buy off the law at the point that

1148
00:59:49,810 --> 00:59:48,590
they're gonna get in trouble because of

1149
00:59:51,940 --> 00:59:49,820
the amount of money they're making

1150
00:59:54,250 --> 00:59:51,950
yeah and I'm always fascinated with that

1151
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:54,260
where you know so no correlation there

1152
00:59:59,010 --> 00:59:57,410
with age yeah I agree with that and you

1153
01:00:03,390 --> 00:59:59,020
would think that

1154
01:00:06,030 --> 01:00:03,400
town in Romania when you know an 18 year

1155
01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:06,040
old kid living up the street is driving

1156
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:10,000
a McLaren that maybe there's something

1157
01:00:13,350 --> 01:00:11,410
going on here

1158
01:00:15,210 --> 01:00:13,360
you got it definitely if you're doing

1159
01:00:16,890 --> 01:00:15,220
this in a place like that you've got to

1160
01:00:19,410 --> 01:00:16,900
realize that you're storing money for

1161
01:00:21,390 --> 01:00:19,420
when you decide to move and you're

1162
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:21,400
moving it into other offshore kind of

1163
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:23,410
systems and you're not showing off all

1164
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:25,570
your Flash and bling locally in your

1165
01:00:30,810 --> 01:00:28,570
little small town you know let's take a

1166
01:00:32,670 --> 01:00:30,820
break right here I guess tonight Gregg

1167
01:00:35,370 --> 01:00:32,680
Housh and when we come back we're gonna

1168
01:00:37,590 --> 01:00:35,380
get into it it's an absolutely crazy

1169
01:00:40,380 --> 01:00:37,600
breaking story that is happening right

1170
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now in real time out of New York City

1171
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with our evil the ransomware

1172
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:46,720
and the hack on Grubman and it's it's

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crazy it's an insane story will will

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cover all of it in just a short break

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stay with us

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1257
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1260
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1261
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1262
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1282
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:07,230
welcome back fade to black I am your

1283
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:08,730
host Jimmy Church on the game changer

1284
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:12,450
network and kg RA the planets hello to

1285
01:06:17,780 --> 01:06:14,370
everybody listening all around the world

1286
01:06:20,750 --> 01:06:17,790
tonight our guest Gregg Housh you can

1287
01:06:22,730 --> 01:06:20,760
follow me on twitter @ JT radio hashtag

1288
01:06:25,850 --> 01:06:22,740
F to B is the sandbox you can also

1289
01:06:28,790 --> 01:06:25,860
follow Greg on Twitter it's at Gregg

1290
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:28,800
Housh Gregg with two G's and he's got

1291
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:30,890
that really cool blue check mark that

1292
01:06:35,810 --> 01:06:34,050
he's totally against in the system but

1293
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:35,820
you'd like the blue check mark when it

1294
01:06:40,820 --> 01:06:38,370
happens Greg and and I get that but you

1295
01:06:43,580 --> 01:06:40,830
could follow Greg and all of his links

1296
01:06:48,410 --> 01:06:43,590
are up in our Twitter feed right now so

1297
01:06:50,900 --> 01:06:48,420
a criminal group last week that uses

1298
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:50,910
ransomware and it's called are evil

1299
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:53,280
stole seven hundred and sixty seven

1300
01:06:59,680 --> 01:06:55,680
hundred and fifty six gigabytes of data

1301
01:07:04,190 --> 01:06:59,690
from the systems of Grubman Shire

1302
01:07:06,380 --> 01:07:04,200
mice Alice I think and sax and has

1303
01:07:07,790 --> 01:07:06,390
threatened to release damaging documents

1304
01:07:10,180 --> 01:07:07,800
involving the President of the United

1305
01:07:14,030 --> 01:07:10,190
States if the ransom is not paid and

1306
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:14,040
they doubled the amount from 21 million

1307
01:07:19,340 --> 01:07:16,050
dollars to forty two million dollars

1308
01:07:22,190 --> 01:07:19,350
over the weekend this is a breaking

1309
01:07:24,500 --> 01:07:22,200
fluid story now this criminal group has

1310
01:07:28,070 --> 01:07:24,510
also stated and this was over the

1311
01:07:31,490 --> 01:07:28,080
weekend that Grubman and Shire and

1312
01:07:33,380 --> 01:07:31,500
associates had seven days to pay up or

1313
01:07:38,030 --> 01:07:33,390
they were gonna drop the dirt on

1314
01:07:41,470 --> 01:07:38,040
President Donald Trump now Greg as the

1315
01:07:45,020 --> 01:07:41,480
story unfolds let's back up before this

1316
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:45,030
and I'm gonna ask the first question why

1317
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:50,010
target an entertainment law firm because

1318
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:53,130
you think they have money and you also

1319
01:07:58,640 --> 01:07:56,490
think their clients have money and you

1320
01:08:00,920 --> 01:07:58,650
think their clients have secrets you put

1321
01:08:04,210 --> 01:08:00,930
all that together and there's a lot of

1322
01:08:07,910 --> 01:08:04,220
money to be had there now they represent

1323
01:08:11,690 --> 01:08:07,920
Elton John they represent Madonna Bruce

1324
01:08:15,349 --> 01:08:11,700
Springsteen and Lady Gaga and

1325
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:15,359
they took the opportunity of mentioned

1326
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:17,250
the big bands they mentioned mentioned

1327
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:22,170
those who mentioned the big ones I mean

1328
01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:25,410
Elton John and you too yes Bruce

1329
01:08:28,550 --> 01:08:27,600
Springsteen I mean it's it's a crazy

1330
01:08:30,939 --> 01:08:28,560
clientelist

1331
01:08:33,919 --> 01:08:30,949
Barbra Streisand yeah Barbra Streisand

1332
01:08:36,709 --> 01:08:33,929
some fun secrets there yeah they embed

1333
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:36,719
Midler who knows like interest they have

1334
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:38,850
represented Tom Cruise in the past and

1335
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:40,410
they're supposedly data on him in there

1336
01:08:49,370 --> 01:08:47,250
now going back to Scientology the I

1337
01:08:52,070 --> 01:08:49,380
understand the money aspect of this and

1338
01:08:54,140 --> 01:08:52,080
you have high-end clients that you know

1339
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:54,150
virtually none bigger than who is

1340
01:09:01,729 --> 01:08:57,839
represented by this firm but President

1341
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:01,739
Trump himself was never represented or

1342
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:05,370
involved with this law firm or was he he

1343
01:09:09,140 --> 01:09:07,410
well so that's an interesting story I

1344
01:09:11,870 --> 01:09:09,150
mean so it's a relatively short one but

1345
01:09:16,220 --> 01:09:11,880
it's interesting so they have many hacks

1346
01:09:19,340 --> 01:09:16,230
going over years at this point and the

1347
01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:19,350
Trump data is mostly from earlier hacks

1348
01:09:24,410 --> 01:09:23,040
over the last about year that involved

1349
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:24,420
them actually getting into some

1350
01:09:30,140 --> 01:09:26,370
mar-a-lago systems and some other

1351
01:09:32,570 --> 01:09:30,150
related Trump property systems the data

1352
01:09:36,019 --> 01:09:32,580
that comes from this hack specifically

1353
01:09:38,030 --> 01:09:36,029
that is about Trump is of course exactly

1354
01:09:40,669 --> 01:09:38,040
what you would expect from a law firm

1355
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:40,679
that represents all these people so one

1356
01:09:45,559 --> 01:09:42,449
of the funniest pieces is David

1357
01:09:46,939 --> 01:09:45,569
Letterman is represented by or was you

1358
01:09:50,229 --> 01:09:46,949
know I don't know if he still is by this

1359
01:09:52,660 --> 01:09:50,239
company but when he had his his show and

1360
01:09:56,570 --> 01:09:52,670
Trump went on the show multiple times

1361
01:09:59,900 --> 01:09:56,580
there is a bunch of data in his records

1362
01:10:02,510 --> 01:09:59,910
supposedly that talk about him his team

1363
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:02,520
and the lawyers making sure Trump

1364
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:05,010
wouldn't sue them for anything done on

1365
01:10:09,500 --> 01:10:07,890
the show cuz Trump was famous among you

1366
01:10:12,770 --> 01:10:09,510
know the entertainment elite for being

1367
01:10:14,780 --> 01:10:12,780
very litigious and so the data that

1368
01:10:18,050 --> 01:10:14,790
would exist in this data set is about

1369
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:18,060
them preparing against him just in case

1370
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:20,610
he did anytime they're actual

1371
01:10:24,580 --> 01:10:23,280
represented stars interacted with him

1372
01:10:26,740 --> 01:10:24,590
any mention

1373
01:10:32,589 --> 01:10:26,750
yet any comment from the White House by

1374
01:10:34,689 --> 01:10:32,599
the way so one they've through you know

1375
01:10:37,899 --> 01:10:34,699
some interviews like Hellion said a

1376
01:10:39,490 --> 01:10:37,909
couple things they've said that that

1377
01:10:43,060 --> 01:10:39,500
there's nothing in this it's a big you

1378
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:43,070
know to use his word nothing burger but

1379
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:46,010
and I kind of tend to agree actually uh

1380
01:10:49,660 --> 01:10:47,690
knowing what I know about the earlier

1381
01:10:52,390 --> 01:10:49,670
hacks and what what has been shown on

1382
01:10:54,339 --> 01:10:52,400
the dark web is kind of proof it's it

1383
01:10:56,260 --> 01:10:54,349
doesn't seem that explosive it looks

1384
01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:56,270
like it was a money grab buts

1385
01:10:59,470 --> 01:10:58,010
you know that that's an initial

1386
01:11:04,000 --> 01:10:59,480
assessment now today everything has

1387
01:11:06,700 --> 01:11:04,010
changed today they actually announced on

1388
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:06,710
their own little dark web blog that a

1389
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:09,290
buyer showed up that wanted the Trump

1390
01:11:13,419 --> 01:11:11,840
data and paid them already and has it

1391
01:11:16,330 --> 01:11:13,429
already and they've deleted their copy

1392
01:11:19,300 --> 01:11:16,340
already very clear we're not going to

1393
01:11:21,490 --> 01:11:19,310
pay the timeline that they give is that

1394
01:11:22,990 --> 01:11:21,500
the law firm actually initially offered

1395
01:11:25,209 --> 01:11:23,000
to pay three hundred and sixty five

1396
01:11:27,339 --> 01:11:25,219
thousand dollars for everything to go

1397
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:27,349
away and then the government stepped in

1398
01:11:33,910 --> 01:11:30,650
and told the law firm that is a federal

1399
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:33,920
crime to pay terrorists right right and

1400
01:11:38,709 --> 01:11:36,530
you know so who knows but we know that

1401
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:38,719
some cities have paid this so I I don't

1402
01:11:42,669 --> 01:11:39,770
think they would have done anything to

1403
01:11:44,890 --> 01:11:42,679
him if they did so but that's a local

1404
01:11:46,839 --> 01:11:44,900
offer like that they decided to change

1405
01:11:48,820 --> 01:11:46,849
up their game so instead they found a

1406
01:11:50,830 --> 01:11:48,830
buyer for the Trump data sold it off and

1407
01:11:52,839 --> 01:11:50,840
now the next data that's on the block

1408
01:11:55,899 --> 01:11:52,849
has an opening bit of a million dollars

1409
01:11:59,070 --> 01:11:55,909
and it's all of Madonna's data now we

1410
01:12:01,240 --> 01:11:59,080
don't know who's purchasing the data

1411
01:12:03,850 --> 01:12:01,250
they've given anima T to their

1412
01:12:08,350 --> 01:12:03,860
purchasers that's right I mean could it

1413
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:08,360
be possible that somebody a friend of

1414
01:12:14,140 --> 01:12:10,730
President Trump stepped in and and and

1415
01:12:16,870 --> 01:12:14,150
bought the data to keep it out of the

1416
01:12:19,060 --> 01:12:16,880
public eye for all we know with what

1417
01:12:20,770 --> 01:12:19,070
came out about the mar-a-lago data

1418
01:12:23,859 --> 01:12:20,780
that's in it it's it's very you know

1419
01:12:26,169 --> 01:12:23,869
it's not special data it's nothing like

1420
01:12:29,109 --> 01:12:26,179
super important for the Marlo go stuff

1421
01:12:30,970 --> 01:12:29,119
it was like event lists you know who

1422
01:12:32,410 --> 01:12:30,980
showed up to specific dinner events and

1423
01:12:34,300 --> 01:12:32,420
whatnot but it wasn't like you know

1424
01:12:35,530 --> 01:12:34,310
someone you wouldn't expect showed up it

1425
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:35,540
was just business people and whatnot

1426
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:37,250
that you would have expected to be there

1427
01:12:39,290 --> 01:12:37,890
but made

1428
01:12:41,150 --> 01:12:39,300
one of them didn't want to be in this

1429
01:12:43,370 --> 01:12:41,160
data dump and you know he has a lot of

1430
01:12:45,710 --> 01:12:43,380
rich friends he's sure his thing he

1431
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:45,720
collects them do we know how much the

1432
01:12:51,020 --> 01:12:49,170
Trump date is sold for we do not but we

1433
01:12:52,670 --> 01:12:51,030
know that they put an opening bid on the

1434
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:52,680
next set of data for a million dollars

1435
01:12:57,020 --> 01:12:54,810
so who knows what it sold for but it

1436
01:12:59,990 --> 01:12:57,030
probably sold pretty good now would

1437
01:13:03,710 --> 01:13:00,000
Madonna be interested in buying her date

1438
01:13:05,660 --> 01:13:03,720
of four million bucks right yeah you

1439
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:05,670
know the question there is you run into

1440
01:13:10,190 --> 01:13:08,130
all sorts of problems right because you

1441
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:10,200
know someone like that sure you think

1442
01:13:13,370 --> 01:13:11,760
they have slightly better security but

1443
01:13:14,630 --> 01:13:13,380
everyone's human man and everyone you're

1444
01:13:17,480 --> 01:13:14,640
dealing with this human and there's

1445
01:13:20,090 --> 01:13:17,490
gonna be ways in so if if she herself

1446
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:20,100
shows up and publicly buys this then

1447
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:23,010
every every every hacker in the world

1448
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:24,930
that is out there trying to make a buck

1449
01:13:29,630 --> 01:13:26,850
is going to know that coming after

1450
01:13:34,670 --> 01:13:29,640
Madonna gets you paid who buys Madonna's

1451
01:13:36,590 --> 01:13:34,680
data right who buys Madonna's data if it

1452
01:13:39,380 --> 01:13:36,600
was like 92 I'd be saying Michael

1453
01:13:41,480 --> 01:13:39,390
Jackson would be purchasing it right at

1454
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:41,490
this point I have an idea yeah that is

1455
01:13:45,820 --> 01:13:43,890
so interesting that is so interesting

1456
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:45,830
okay let's let's back up let's go to

1457
01:13:55,670 --> 01:13:51,930
last week how did how do you think the

1458
01:14:00,800 --> 01:13:55,680
hack happened well the tool they're

1459
01:14:04,850 --> 01:14:00,810
using it's its real name is Saudi no key

1460
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:04,860
B our evil is kind of the flashy we know

1461
01:14:10,580 --> 01:14:07,650
Americans can say it name okay um you

1462
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:10,590
know but cedeño be Saudi no key B is the

1463
01:14:16,910 --> 01:14:14,850
real name and that tool we know of at

1464
01:14:19,100 --> 01:14:16,920
least two attack vectors that uses that

1465
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:19,110
are kind of hack related and

1466
01:14:24,740 --> 01:14:20,970
semi-automated and then we know the

1467
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:24,750
fishing method obviously so fishing is

1468
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:26,010
of course you know sends out an email

1469
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:27,840
with a link you hit it your browser is

1470
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:30,210
somehow exploited and you've got

1471
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:32,250
problems

1472
01:14:40,670 --> 01:14:37,650
the other two are RDP and VPN appliances

1473
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:40,680
so RDP is a protocol used you know for

1474
01:14:47,750 --> 01:14:43,050
remote desktops which surprisingly are

1475
01:14:49,130 --> 01:14:47,760
getting a lot more usage these days so

1476
01:14:51,350 --> 01:14:49,140
they're enabled at a lot more companies

1477
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:51,360
and it turns out that this grew

1478
01:14:56,090 --> 01:14:54,570
had multiple zero days for various RDP

1479
01:14:58,490 --> 01:14:56,100
implementations that would get them

1480
01:15:01,970 --> 01:14:58,500
right past all your security if you had

1481
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:01,980
RDP exposed to the outside world now of

1482
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:03,330
course a lot of those have been patched

1483
01:15:07,730 --> 01:15:05,730
since this has been going around but who

1484
01:15:11,420 --> 01:15:07,740
keeps all their software and hardware

1485
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:11,430
up-to-date turns out not many people and

1486
01:15:15,940 --> 01:15:13,890
then the other method is they've got an

1487
01:15:20,150 --> 01:15:15,950
attack that goes up against some common

1488
01:15:22,010 --> 01:15:20,160
VPN appliances VPN is Virtual Private

1489
01:15:24,830 --> 01:15:22,020
Network and it's it's a way a company

1490
01:15:26,660 --> 01:15:24,840
can allow someone at home to connect up

1491
01:15:28,670 --> 01:15:26,670
to the corporate network and have the

1492
01:15:31,190 --> 01:15:28,680
network they think that they're on the

1493
01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:31,200
corporate network that they're sitting

1494
01:15:36,230 --> 01:15:33,120
in some office cubicle you know mm-hmm

1495
01:15:37,730 --> 01:15:36,240
and it's there's complicated ways to

1496
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:37,740
build it out with you know serious

1497
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:40,050
infrastructure and then there's simple

1498
01:15:43,700 --> 01:15:41,970
little you know boxes you can buy like

1499
01:15:45,380 --> 01:15:43,710
that little router you have for your you

1500
01:15:47,420 --> 01:15:45,390
know internet at home they give you a

1501
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:47,430
VPN at smaller businesses to midsize

1502
01:15:54,650 --> 01:15:51,930
businesses and those one one company

1503
01:15:57,860 --> 01:15:54,660
called pulse had a couple active

1504
01:15:59,750 --> 01:15:57,870
exploits so the the Travelex one that

1505
01:16:01,940 --> 01:15:59,760
you mentioned earlier that one was

1506
01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:01,950
actually done they believe completely

1507
01:16:06,410 --> 01:16:04,320
through their VPN device being remotely

1508
01:16:09,140 --> 01:16:06,420
hacked by an automated tool that just

1509
01:16:10,010 --> 01:16:09,150
went right in right through it that's

1510
01:16:14,030 --> 01:16:10,020
incredible

1511
01:16:17,810 --> 01:16:14,040
right and they're the the I don't know

1512
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:17,820
what is scarier to have this done by

1513
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:20,250
automation and there's nothing that you

1514
01:16:27,140 --> 01:16:23,760
can do defense wise that's that is

1515
01:16:30,050 --> 01:16:27,150
terrifying and then the other side of it

1516
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:30,060
is to me equally is terrifying

1517
01:16:36,110 --> 01:16:32,370
where you have an employee that's a

1518
01:16:38,810 --> 01:16:36,120
complete doofus that would click on the

1519
01:16:42,170 --> 01:16:38,820
exploit and the end the malware inside

1520
01:16:45,050 --> 01:16:42,180
of an email on a on a corporate server

1521
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:45,060
right where you're you're you're logged

1522
01:16:50,510 --> 01:16:48,480
in to the company's network and and you

1523
01:16:53,180 --> 01:16:50,520
make that click and then everything goes

1524
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:53,190
foul both are equally is terrifying

1525
01:16:58,910 --> 01:16:56,970
aren't they yeah I mean you know one is

1526
01:17:01,130 --> 01:16:58,920
I don't know it's interesting because

1527
01:17:05,150 --> 01:17:01,140
when you talk about the automated tools

1528
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:05,160
you get this this thing where it's just

1529
01:17:08,780 --> 01:17:06,690
bah and that software could have been

1530
01:17:10,700 --> 01:17:08,790
going after 10,000 targets when you talk

1531
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:10,710
about a dedicated phishing campaign

1532
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:12,960
that's coming for you I don't know that

1533
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:14,640
one always felt a little more sketchy

1534
01:17:20,570 --> 01:17:17,610
because like someone knows my name and

1535
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:20,580
is coming after my name mm-hmm and that

1536
01:17:27,580 --> 01:17:22,560
one always that one always always is

1537
01:17:30,440 --> 01:17:27,590
weird to me now when this gets activated

1538
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:30,450
you know our evil let's specifically

1539
01:17:37,070 --> 01:17:32,250
talk about what is being used in this

1540
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:37,080
hack what happens it's really simple um

1541
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:39,570
it gives them access to the data that's

1542
01:17:44,330 --> 01:17:42,170
available there so they can take it all

1543
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:44,340
in order to download it straight through

1544
01:17:48,500 --> 01:17:46,410
the internet so in this specific half

1545
01:17:50,900 --> 01:17:48,510
the the grub Mac they supposedly

1546
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:50,910
downloaded seven hundred and fifty six

1547
01:17:58,100 --> 01:17:54,810
gigs of data that's a lot of data yes it

1548
01:18:00,020 --> 01:17:58,110
is and then the second it's done and

1549
01:18:03,110 --> 01:18:00,030
they believe they have everything it

1550
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:03,120
then encrypts all the local data in a

1551
01:18:08,290 --> 01:18:05,760
way we're only putting in the right key

1552
01:18:11,150 --> 01:18:08,300
one that they sell you for in this case

1553
01:18:13,490 --> 01:18:11,160
21 or 42 million dollars depending on

1554
01:18:14,900 --> 01:18:13,500
which day they might have acted putting

1555
01:18:16,580 --> 01:18:14,910
in that right key well decrypt it and

1556
01:18:18,470 --> 01:18:16,590
you've got your data back and you're

1557
01:18:21,050 --> 01:18:18,480
fine and supposedly the sock were

1558
01:18:25,460 --> 01:18:21,060
removed itself so two things happen then

1559
01:18:29,090 --> 01:18:25,470
so I am understanding one they lock down

1560
01:18:31,100 --> 01:18:29,100
your current system that's happening so

1561
01:18:35,390 --> 01:18:31,110
you don't have access to it and then

1562
01:18:38,030 --> 01:18:35,400
they've managed to get to certain files

1563
01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:38,040
and and being able to navigate that to

1564
01:18:42,020 --> 01:18:40,080
get to the data is pretty interesting to

1565
01:18:45,050 --> 01:18:42,030
me let's we'll talk about that but

1566
01:18:47,510 --> 01:18:45,060
they've downloaded those files too as

1567
01:18:50,890 --> 01:18:47,520
well so it's not just an encryption key

1568
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:50,900
to unlock your your corporate network

1569
01:18:57,620 --> 01:18:54,290
which is important but they've also

1570
01:19:00,800 --> 01:18:57,630
secured their hijack right they've

1571
01:19:02,150 --> 01:19:00,810
hijacked something and so we have two

1572
01:19:04,970 --> 01:19:02,160
different things that are happening at

1573
01:19:07,340 --> 01:19:04,980
the same time yeah it's completely to

1574
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:07,350
almost separate things at this point one

1575
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:10,290
a group of people now have your data to

1576
01:19:14,649 --> 01:19:12,090
your corporate network is currently in

1577
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:14,659
shambles and so is in

1578
01:19:22,509 --> 01:19:20,449
this case Grubman and associates their

1579
01:19:24,759 --> 01:19:22,519
system right now is locked up at my

1580
01:19:26,319 --> 01:19:24,769
understanding correctly I mean I'm sure

1581
01:19:27,609 --> 01:19:26,329
that with the security firms they've

1582
01:19:29,799 --> 01:19:27,619
brought in they've got other computers

1583
01:19:31,060 --> 01:19:29,809
up and running at this point but you

1584
01:19:35,219 --> 01:19:31,070
know so they're not completely offline

1585
01:19:39,580 --> 01:19:35,229
but the old systems haven't been

1586
01:19:41,290 --> 01:19:39,590
destroyed or anything the FBI Homeland

1587
01:19:43,569 --> 01:19:41,300
Security for the Terrorism side of

1588
01:19:45,250 --> 01:19:43,579
things and a couple security firms are

1589
01:19:47,770 --> 01:19:45,260
all going over that attempting to find

1590
01:19:51,459 --> 01:19:47,780
ways through you know to the other side

1591
01:19:53,799 --> 01:19:51,469
of it it is not one that's defeated yet

1592
01:19:56,489 --> 01:19:53,809
though you know a lot of these have been

1593
01:20:00,669 --> 01:19:56,499
defeated in a way where like we can

1594
01:20:02,290 --> 01:20:00,679
decrypt what they do so you know people

1595
01:20:05,169 --> 01:20:02,300
have made automated tools out there

1596
01:20:08,409 --> 01:20:05,179
that'll just undo I think at least half

1597
01:20:09,909 --> 01:20:08,419
of these these pieces of software but

1598
01:20:12,489 --> 01:20:09,919
this one isn't on the list of ones that

1599
01:20:15,239 --> 01:20:12,499
we figured out yet right right right and

1600
01:20:18,250 --> 01:20:15,249
so and that's interesting too as well

1601
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:18,260
you get hit by ransomware first thing

1602
01:20:22,509 --> 01:20:20,090
you should check is a project named no

1603
01:20:25,149 --> 01:20:22,519
more ransom it's the no more ransom

1604
01:20:27,939 --> 01:20:25,159
project and it's at no more ransom org

1605
01:20:29,259 --> 01:20:27,949
and they probably have a decryptor that

1606
01:20:30,669 --> 01:20:29,269
will decrypt your stuff without you

1607
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:30,679
having to pay for it and clean up the

1608
01:20:37,089 --> 01:20:33,650
mess too right which is this one they do

1609
01:20:39,969 --> 01:20:37,099
not write and so it's not just big

1610
01:20:42,489 --> 01:20:39,979
corporations here right it can it can be

1611
01:20:45,100 --> 01:20:42,499
anybody in any phishing campaign that is

1612
01:20:47,140 --> 01:20:45,110
at home it's it people at home it's at

1613
01:20:48,669 --> 01:20:47,150
two person businesses it's at hospitals

1614
01:20:54,009 --> 01:20:48,679
it's hit Travelex

1615
01:20:58,060 --> 01:20:54,019
now isn't there isn't there a code of

1616
01:21:01,750 --> 01:20:58,070
honor amongst thieves on who you attack

1617
01:21:05,140 --> 01:21:01,760
why why go after a hospital or an

1618
01:21:09,489 --> 01:21:05,150
elementary school system is you know

1619
01:21:11,709 --> 01:21:09,499
isn't there a code of conduct you know

1620
01:21:14,799 --> 01:21:11,719
there are a bunch of hackers who even

1621
01:21:17,379 --> 01:21:14,809
though they're in it for profit would

1622
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:17,389
absolutely have that code and there are

1623
01:21:24,759 --> 01:21:21,530
also a bunch of do not and that's your

1624
01:21:26,590 --> 01:21:24,769
problem not mine give me my money they

1625
01:21:28,330 --> 01:21:26,600
exist and there's a lot of them and

1626
01:21:31,030 --> 01:21:28,340
they there weren't a lot of them until

1627
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:31,040
it became easier there was a much

1628
01:21:36,900 --> 01:21:33,890
stronger kind of strange ethical code

1629
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:36,910
around doing highly illegal things then

1630
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:39,890
then there is now simply due to the

1631
01:21:44,440 --> 01:21:41,930
lower barrier to entry what was the name

1632
01:21:45,790 --> 01:21:44,450
of that website again no more no more

1633
01:21:54,430 --> 01:21:45,800
ransom gorg

1634
01:21:58,870 --> 01:21:54,440
link and that news in this article about

1635
01:22:01,120 --> 01:21:58,880
Grubman shouldn't this mean some editor

1636
01:22:02,370 --> 01:22:01,130
removed it or the author didn't care to

1637
01:22:05,140 --> 01:22:02,380
tell people how to clean up the mess

1638
01:22:06,490 --> 01:22:05,150
yeah that is interesting I mean the goal

1639
01:22:08,050 --> 01:22:06,500
of all of these articles remember it's

1640
01:22:09,610 --> 01:22:08,060
just clicks it's just how many i abused

1641
01:22:13,270 --> 01:22:09,620
can we get right right right

1642
01:22:17,440 --> 01:22:13,280
I you know I knock on wood I I haven't

1643
01:22:18,430 --> 01:22:17,450
been dealing with malware or any of

1644
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:18,440
course ransomware

1645
01:22:25,690 --> 01:22:22,090
in in probably fifteen or twenty years

1646
01:22:27,580 --> 01:22:25,700
we we really went through a couple of

1647
01:22:30,790 --> 01:22:27,590
things fifteen or twenty years ago and

1648
01:22:36,190 --> 01:22:30,800
and what the time that we had spent

1649
01:22:37,930 --> 01:22:36,200
trying to fix our systems it was that

1650
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:37,940
scared me enough that I just don't click

1651
01:22:47,530 --> 01:22:40,610
on links now I just don't do it I just

1652
01:22:51,340 --> 01:22:47,540
don't do it the the the second half of

1653
01:22:57,190 --> 01:22:51,350
this okay so let's let's deal with what

1654
01:23:03,580 --> 01:22:57,200
is going on now are we stuck in a game

1655
01:23:07,090 --> 01:23:03,590
of poker right we're you know the group

1656
01:23:09,820 --> 01:23:07,100
behind this hack that is using our evil

1657
01:23:15,430 --> 01:23:09,830
they've they put down a seven day

1658
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:15,440
timeline here to to pay up but what what

1659
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:17,690
did we do with that does grubman's stick

1660
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:21,890
to their guns and are we waiting for one

1661
01:23:28,150 --> 01:23:26,090
side or the other to call a bluff you

1662
01:23:30,580 --> 01:23:28,160
know in all honesty I don't think this

1663
01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:30,590
gets paid for after the back-and-forth

1664
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:33,440
that's happened now and now that it's

1665
01:23:37,870 --> 01:23:35,570
been so public that they have heard from

1666
01:23:39,940 --> 01:23:37,880
the government telling them not to do it

1667
01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:39,950
because it's a federal crime

1668
01:23:43,900 --> 01:23:41,450
makes it much harder for them to just do

1669
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:43,910
it and then apologize later so I

1670
01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:45,970
honestly think they don't pay for it and

1671
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:48,800
this group will sell bits and pieces of

1672
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:51,050
it until you know no one wants the rest

1673
01:23:54,490 --> 01:23:53,090
the prices will go down I don't think

1674
01:23:56,140 --> 01:23:54,500
they get a million for the Madonna stuff

1675
01:23:58,150 --> 01:23:56,150
but they might get a hundred thousand

1676
01:24:02,280 --> 01:23:58,160
from someone looking into mine for for

1677
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:02,290
data now how do we protect ourselves I

1678
01:24:08,500 --> 01:24:06,050
mean from this one specifically you know

1679
01:24:11,470 --> 01:24:08,510
it's attacking mostly corporate

1680
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:11,480
infrastructure types of tools so you

1681
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:14,210
know Citrix and other kind of remote

1682
01:24:20,410 --> 01:24:17,410
tools for RDP type stuff and VPN tools

1683
01:24:21,790 --> 01:24:20,420
so for most part people don't have to

1684
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:21,800
worry about this when hitting their home

1685
01:24:25,480 --> 01:24:23,690
computer but if you're running even a

1686
01:24:27,250 --> 01:24:25,490
small business that has some kind of

1687
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:27,260
remote capabilities you might have one

1688
01:24:32,350 --> 01:24:29,570
of these tools and for that you have to

1689
01:24:35,140 --> 01:24:32,360
keep them up-to-date um you know the

1690
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:35,150
Travelex one specifically it got in

1691
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:37,250
through their VPN router they're there

1692
01:24:41,830 --> 01:24:39,290
well they're VPN device their VPN device

1693
01:24:44,380 --> 01:24:41,840
had already issued an update and a patch

1694
01:24:46,630 --> 01:24:44,390
for this before the hack happened and

1695
01:24:49,270 --> 01:24:46,640
worse than that a security company

1696
01:24:50,740 --> 01:24:49,280
that's out there doing kind of the the

1697
01:24:53,110 --> 01:24:50,750
white knighting you know that the good

1698
01:24:54,850 --> 01:24:53,120
work that the white hat hacking uh has

1699
01:24:57,280 --> 01:24:54,860
an automated tool scanning for these

1700
01:24:59,710 --> 01:24:57,290
broken VPN devices and found theirs and

1701
01:25:01,720 --> 01:24:59,720
they sent an email to them before the

1702
01:25:03,250 --> 01:25:01,730
hack happened saying your device is

1703
01:25:05,380 --> 01:25:03,260
vulnerable this could happen to you

1704
01:25:09,220 --> 01:25:05,390
here's the fix and the company never

1705
01:25:11,410 --> 01:25:09,230
implemented that takes the with your

1706
01:25:16,150 --> 01:25:11,420
security especially when a security firm

1707
01:25:20,980 --> 01:25:16,160
reaches out and says hey what okay so

1708
01:25:23,170 --> 01:25:20,990
now let's if your system is backed up

1709
01:25:26,260 --> 01:25:23,180
and I'm talking about in a basic sense

1710
01:25:27,460 --> 01:25:26,270
your your photographs and your files and

1711
01:25:29,860 --> 01:25:27,470
then you've got time machine or

1712
01:25:32,260 --> 01:25:29,870
something like that right right right

1713
01:25:35,620 --> 01:25:32,270
and and you have that there and

1714
01:25:37,650 --> 01:25:35,630
something like this happens and you know

1715
01:25:38,770 --> 01:25:37,660
that you've got your system backed up

1716
01:25:41,650 --> 01:25:38,780
Kenny

1717
01:25:43,990 --> 01:25:41,660
it does does the malware resides

1718
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:44,000
somewhere else I mean if you erase your

1719
01:25:50,110 --> 01:25:47,090
drive and reformat your drive are you

1720
01:25:51,550 --> 01:25:50,120
safe at that point it depends on the

1721
01:25:53,649 --> 01:25:51,560
other devices you have connected to your

1722
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:53,659
network if those devices have Drive

1723
01:25:58,029 --> 01:25:56,090
you know my current system that I'm

1724
01:25:59,830 --> 01:25:58,039
talking to you through on right now has

1725
01:26:01,659 --> 01:25:59,840
three different sets of external drives

1726
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:01,669
that can access it could have been put

1727
01:26:06,759 --> 01:26:03,530
on there and then through you know me

1728
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:06,769
accessing something it could bring it

1729
01:26:15,399 --> 01:26:12,530
back so for me I use I use anti-malware

1730
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:15,409
tools of course on Windows you really

1731
01:26:19,449 --> 01:26:17,090
don't have to get anything better than

1732
01:26:21,549 --> 01:26:19,459
what's built in no running norton air

1733
01:26:24,939 --> 01:26:21,559
McAfee please those only slow your

1734
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:24,949
machine down and add attack vectors the

1735
01:26:30,819 --> 01:26:28,010
Windows Defender is fine on on Mac it's

1736
01:26:33,959 --> 01:26:30,829
decent itself but you need to add to it

1737
01:26:37,239 --> 01:26:33,969
and on Mac I recommend Sophos actually

1738
01:26:40,719 --> 01:26:37,249
it's a relatively inexpensive it works

1739
01:26:43,089 --> 01:26:40,729
good it's up to date the couple holes

1740
01:26:45,189 --> 01:26:43,099
that are involved in this specific type

1741
01:26:49,659 --> 01:26:45,199
of ransomware attack that could hit your

1742
01:26:52,029 --> 01:26:49,669
Mac system are stopped by Sophos so you

1743
01:26:54,219 --> 01:26:52,039
know if you want to go deeper and you're

1744
01:26:59,080 --> 01:26:54,229
a Mac user then I would say you load up

1745
01:27:01,270 --> 01:26:59,090
a tool called Little Snitch and it stops

1746
01:27:03,729 --> 01:27:01,280
incoming and outgoing network traffic

1747
01:27:05,469 --> 01:27:03,739
and it does a pop-up and says do you

1748
01:27:06,969 --> 01:27:05,479
want to allow this traffic and if you

1749
01:27:09,279 --> 01:27:06,979
have no idea what that traffic is and

1750
01:27:13,830 --> 01:27:09,289
you didn't just initiate something yes

1751
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:13,840
you want to block that traffic and the

1752
01:27:23,620 --> 01:27:18,530
the ability to to do all of this is it

1753
01:27:27,790 --> 01:27:23,630
beyond most users technical you know at

1754
01:27:29,919 --> 01:27:27,800
because it seems it seems complex but

1755
01:27:32,979 --> 01:27:29,929
are these things that are these tools

1756
01:27:34,750 --> 01:27:32,989
that you can use that run automatically

1757
01:27:37,149 --> 01:27:34,760
and you don't have to get keep it's all

1758
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:37,159
automatic it's nothing complicated it

1759
01:27:41,020 --> 01:27:39,050
just sounds complicated so people's eyes

1760
01:27:42,790 --> 01:27:41,030
glaze over and they don't do it right

1761
01:27:43,810 --> 01:27:42,800
but Little Snitch like if you're on a

1762
01:27:46,959 --> 01:27:43,820
Mac and you want to run Little Snitch

1763
01:27:48,279 --> 01:27:46,969
you literally pay for it you install it

1764
01:27:50,739 --> 01:27:48,289
it's under a hundred dollars I think

1765
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:50,749
it's like summer under fifty and then

1766
01:27:55,659 --> 01:27:52,610
once it's installed it's it's up there

1767
01:27:57,399 --> 01:27:55,669
in the little menu bar and you can just

1768
01:27:58,779 --> 01:27:57,409
see the in going and out coming traffic

1769
01:28:01,390 --> 01:27:58,789
in these two little green and red bars

1770
01:28:03,580 --> 01:28:01,400
and whenever new traffic that it hasn't

1771
01:28:06,799 --> 01:28:03,590
seen before happens it pops up and says

1772
01:28:09,379 --> 01:28:06,809
this application is trying to do this

1773
01:28:11,689 --> 01:28:09,389
with this website or this domain or this

1774
01:28:15,140 --> 01:28:11,699
IP and you can say with two little

1775
01:28:17,870 --> 01:28:15,150
buttons there deny or allow and and

1776
01:28:20,029 --> 01:28:17,880
it'll remember these things so you don't

1777
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:20,039
have to answer that 500 times because

1778
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:22,050
you use Skype all the time and you don't

1779
01:28:26,029 --> 01:28:23,489
want to keep saying yes Skype can

1780
01:28:27,470 --> 01:28:26,039
connect so it's just a one time thing on

1781
01:28:29,419 --> 01:28:27,480
that answer if you want you can also

1782
01:28:31,029 --> 01:28:29,429
actually change a setting and say ask me

1783
01:28:33,770 --> 01:28:31,039
every time if you're really that guy

1784
01:28:35,330 --> 01:28:33,780
mine is set of course to just ask me

1785
01:28:37,490 --> 01:28:35,340
once on a lot of those things right

1786
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:37,500
right really simple though really it's

1787
01:28:42,049 --> 01:28:39,360
not invasive it takes a couple seconds

1788
01:28:44,569 --> 01:28:42,059
and every month you use it it asks you

1789
01:28:50,689 --> 01:28:44,579
less and less things knows already

1790
01:28:53,870 --> 01:28:50,699
and with these ransomware type of

1791
01:28:56,089 --> 01:28:53,880
phishing emails how do those emails look

1792
01:28:58,700 --> 01:28:56,099
are they using something traditional

1793
01:29:00,950 --> 01:28:58,710
you know like Costco or PayPal or Bank

1794
01:29:03,740 --> 01:29:00,960
of America or is there something else

1795
01:29:06,410 --> 01:29:03,750
that is going on it depends on how

1796
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:06,420
targeted the attack is you know if it's

1797
01:29:11,779 --> 01:29:08,730
specifically at you or your company then

1798
01:29:13,459 --> 01:29:11,789
usually the attacker will figure out

1799
01:29:15,410 --> 01:29:13,469
some things about you what payment

1800
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:15,420
processor you're using what hardware

1801
01:29:20,660 --> 01:29:18,449
suppliers you're using you know what

1802
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:20,670
other companies you have deals with are

1803
01:29:26,689 --> 01:29:23,730
you on Microsoft 365 user or are you a

1804
01:29:28,910 --> 01:29:26,699
Zoho cloud user you know they'll try and

1805
01:29:30,589 --> 01:29:28,920
learn stuff like that and then they'll

1806
01:29:32,810 --> 01:29:30,599
try and send you emails that look like

1807
01:29:34,580 --> 01:29:32,820
they're from those companies if it's a

1808
01:29:36,709 --> 01:29:34,590
less targeted one then it's just gonna

1809
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:36,719
be we're gonna make it look like one of

1810
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:38,130
the bigger companies like a PayPal or

1811
01:29:43,069 --> 01:29:41,130
Gmail or something and and send that and

1812
01:29:44,839 --> 01:29:43,079
hope that it hits enough people that use

1813
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:44,849
that service that you know it gets to

1814
01:29:47,810 --> 01:29:45,530
them

1815
01:29:50,270 --> 01:29:47,820
there you go let's take a quick break

1816
01:29:54,229 --> 01:29:50,280
and our guest tonight is Greg house

1817
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:54,239
we're talking about this insane hack

1818
01:29:58,430 --> 01:29:56,610
that has gone down with Grubman and

1819
01:30:02,540 --> 01:29:58,440
associates and entertainment law firm in

1820
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:02,550
New York and demanding a 42 million

1821
01:30:07,189 --> 01:30:05,010
dollar ransom this has fade to black I'm

1822
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:07,199
Errol Jimmy Church more with Greg after

1823
01:30:10,380 --> 01:30:09,210
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1824
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1825
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:14,100
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1826
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1827
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1833
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including all of the past shows with

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for Greg scan it for Greg's past ok I

1916
01:35:42,270 --> 01:35:38,469
want to get back to specifics here with

1917
01:35:46,589 --> 01:35:42,280
the Grubman let's call it a hack with

1918
01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:46,599
the Grubman hack you have to be able to

1919
01:35:50,459 --> 01:35:48,130
and I'm trying to picture this in my

1920
01:35:53,939 --> 01:35:50,469
mind's eye so I need your help here you

1921
01:35:57,629 --> 01:35:53,949
have to navigate a gazillion file

1922
01:36:00,209 --> 01:35:57,639
folders on their network how is that

1923
01:36:03,209 --> 01:36:00,219
done where you can get to the good stuff

1924
01:36:05,250 --> 01:36:03,219
is it because there's a live human you

1925
01:36:07,830 --> 01:36:05,260
know on the other end through the VPN

1926
01:36:10,950 --> 01:36:07,840
that is just sitting there cruising file

1927
01:36:14,100 --> 01:36:10,960
folders and clicking through absolutely

1928
01:36:15,870 --> 01:36:14,110
there's definitely someone just looking

1929
01:36:17,700 --> 01:36:15,880
around when they get a big target I mean

1930
01:36:19,950 --> 01:36:17,710
on the smaller targets they'll have

1931
01:36:22,500 --> 01:36:19,960
automated tools that are looking for

1932
01:36:24,209 --> 01:36:22,510
specific file patterns and specific

1933
01:36:26,069 --> 01:36:24,219
types of network layouts so they can

1934
01:36:28,709 --> 01:36:26,079
kind of easily automatically identify

1935
01:36:31,890 --> 01:36:28,719
stuff but once the basic initial stuff

1936
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is done you end up with a human just

1937
01:36:38,430 --> 01:36:33,730
digging through everything and you end

1938
01:36:41,759 --> 01:36:38,440
up with lateral movement you end up

1939
01:36:43,620 --> 01:36:41,769
specifically with you know once you get

1940
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on one machine inside of a network

1941
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moving sideways to the Machine and the

1942
01:36:51,419 --> 01:36:48,070
cubicle next to it or over to the server

1943
01:36:53,339 --> 01:36:51,429
room is a usually the easiest thing you

1944
01:36:54,779 --> 01:36:53,349
could ever do I mean it's once you've

1945
01:36:56,189 --> 01:36:54,789
gotten through the dead bolt on the

1946
01:36:59,220 --> 01:36:56,199
front door of a house you know walking

1947
01:37:01,080 --> 01:36:59,230
into the kitchen moving laterally in a

1948
01:37:04,500 --> 01:37:01,090
network is dead simple unless they've

1949
01:37:06,930 --> 01:37:04,510
spent a lot of money like one of the

1950
01:37:08,430 --> 01:37:06,940
best tools to track and deal with

1951
01:37:11,279 --> 01:37:08,440
fighting off that type of lateral

1952
01:37:13,379 --> 01:37:11,289
movement is a tool called dart trace but

1953
01:37:13,770 --> 01:37:13,389
you're not going to have a good setup of

1954
01:37:16,500 --> 01:37:13,780
directory

1955
01:37:17,970 --> 01:37:16,510
for under 150 thousand dollars so if you

1956
01:37:24,150 --> 01:37:17,980
can't afford that

1957
01:37:26,100 --> 01:37:24,160
have fun is is depending on the the

1958
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:26,110
sides of the company in the amount of

1959
01:37:31,980 --> 01:37:29,530
resources that are available shouldn't

1960
01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:31,990
every company have a guy like you on

1961
01:37:38,730 --> 01:37:36,850
staff well I mean again that depends on

1962
01:37:40,460 --> 01:37:38,740
size right you know four-person company

1963
01:37:43,410 --> 01:37:40,470
couldn't afford to have a dedicated

1964
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:43,420
cybersecurity guy IT security I see is

1965
01:37:48,660 --> 01:37:45,330
you know whatever you want to call it

1966
01:37:51,810 --> 01:37:48,670
but at a certain size I mean definitely

1967
01:37:55,290 --> 01:37:51,820
a 50-person and above should have a

1968
01:37:57,960 --> 01:37:55,300
security person on staff at a minimum

1969
01:38:02,070 --> 01:37:57,970
one person what does this do

1970
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:02,080
ultimately to the reputation of Rob

1971
01:38:08,970 --> 01:38:05,890
Grubman and his law firm right you're

1972
01:38:13,260 --> 01:38:08,980
you're Bruce Springsteen or for you to

1973
01:38:16,500 --> 01:38:13,270
you're assuming that Grubman has has got

1974
01:38:20,100 --> 01:38:16,510
the stuff on lockdown you are assuming

1975
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:20,110
that but I mean no I understand that

1976
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:21,370
people will assume that and there will

1977
01:38:24,420 --> 01:38:23,170
hurt the reputation but it wouldn't have

1978
01:38:26,580 --> 01:38:24,430
mattered which lawyers they were using

1979
01:38:28,860 --> 01:38:26,590
this would have happened about the same

1980
01:38:31,530 --> 01:38:28,870
I mean like so I mean Grubman you know

1981
01:38:34,530 --> 01:38:31,540
the news has come out over the last few

1982
01:38:37,110 --> 01:38:34,540
hours that it has been pinned two to one

1983
01:38:40,620 --> 01:38:37,120
of those pulse VPN servers the Citrix

1984
01:38:44,730 --> 01:38:40,630
hack on Grubman now so so they know they

1985
01:38:47,010 --> 01:38:44,740
know they know the vector and that's an

1986
01:38:49,170 --> 01:38:47,020
attack that's been available to be

1987
01:38:52,830 --> 01:38:49,180
patched if you had a security person

1988
01:38:56,400 --> 01:38:52,840
paying attention for six months so um

1989
01:38:58,020 --> 01:38:56,410
they're bad I would think in a sane

1990
01:39:00,330 --> 01:38:58,030
world that makes them legally actionable

1991
01:39:01,830 --> 01:39:00,340
to people like Bruce Springsteen because

1992
01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:01,840
they weren't maintaining proper security

1993
01:39:07,980 --> 01:39:06,610
mm-hmm but you know that's the thing

1994
01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:07,990
that bothers me the most not that they

1995
01:39:12,050 --> 01:39:09,520
got hacked I mean it's it's pretty hard

1996
01:39:14,790 --> 01:39:12,060
to stop a dedicated person at this point

1997
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:14,800
but that it was so easy because it was a

1998
01:39:20,410 --> 01:39:17,170
well known and already patched hole that

1999
01:39:26,650 --> 01:39:20,420
should hurt their reputation the most

2000
01:39:30,100 --> 01:39:26,660
and now we've all seen the movies right

2001
01:39:37,709 --> 01:39:30,110
a lot of mirror consultant on we've all

2002
01:39:40,630 --> 01:39:37,719
seen the movies where a virus a file

2003
01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:40,640
malware ransomware whatever you want to

2004
01:39:47,950 --> 01:39:45,290
call it is embedded in a picture not

2005
01:39:53,620 --> 01:39:47,960
just a link or a file is is this

2006
01:39:55,540 --> 01:39:53,630
approach real what do you mean just that

2007
01:39:57,220 --> 01:39:55,550
you know any old file that might be

2008
01:39:59,169 --> 01:39:57,230
doing one thing could also be doing a

2009
01:40:03,010 --> 01:39:59,179
second thing yeah yeah like like an

2010
01:40:04,450 --> 01:40:03,020
image like a JPEG sure I mean a lot of

2011
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:04,460
files are traded on the internet that

2012
01:40:11,740 --> 01:40:08,570
are JPEGs that that you've hidden a zip

2013
01:40:13,570 --> 01:40:11,750
file in and if you just unzip the the

2014
01:40:15,700 --> 01:40:13,580
JPEG like literally you go to the

2015
01:40:18,010 --> 01:40:15,710
command line and type unzip and then

2016
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:18,020
file dot jpg whatever the file name is

2017
01:40:22,330 --> 01:40:20,330
and it'll realize oh there's is a file

2018
01:40:23,380 --> 01:40:22,340
here and unzip the files out of it but

2019
01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:23,390
to everyone else that just looked like

2020
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:25,489
an image file I'm sure that that type of

2021
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:27,610
stuff works there's also you know

2022
01:40:33,490 --> 01:40:30,890
various forms of packing which is ways

2023
01:40:36,010 --> 01:40:33,500
to kind of encrypt your executable but

2024
01:40:38,590 --> 01:40:36,020
one of the tricks that they'll use is

2025
01:40:40,270 --> 01:40:38,600
though pack your executable with a

2026
01:40:41,350 --> 01:40:40,280
second executable one that the system

2027
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:41,360
should have like one we mentioned

2028
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:43,690
earlier say notepad dot exe right and

2029
01:40:47,950 --> 01:40:46,010
yours will piggyback on so whenever

2030
01:40:49,870 --> 01:40:47,960
anyone runs notepad it also runs yours

2031
01:40:54,250 --> 01:40:49,880
most malware detectors are going to

2032
01:40:55,900 --> 01:40:54,260
catch those these days but that one is

2033
01:40:57,520 --> 01:40:55,910
that one is kind of one of the

2034
01:41:01,209 --> 01:40:57,530
tried-and-true that's been going on

2035
01:41:03,430 --> 01:41:01,219
since you know the early 90s and you

2036
01:41:06,850 --> 01:41:03,440
mentioned I always found this

2037
01:41:09,550 --> 01:41:06,860
interesting that that Apple tends to be

2038
01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:09,560
a little bit safer right that for

2039
01:41:14,470 --> 01:41:11,690
whatever reason the respective Steve

2040
01:41:16,780 --> 01:41:14,480
Jobs I don't know the reason has always

2041
01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:16,790
been that they've never had or once

2042
01:41:21,490 --> 01:41:20,090
viruses became even less a farm prophet

2043
01:41:23,050 --> 01:41:21,500
and more just something that the hackers

2044
01:41:25,630 --> 01:41:23,060
are doing for fun and then of course

2045
01:41:26,740 --> 01:41:25,640
into profit um there wasn't enough

2046
01:41:27,850 --> 01:41:26,750
profit there because there weren't

2047
01:41:30,160 --> 01:41:27,860
enough people using them especially

2048
01:41:32,380 --> 01:41:30,170
people who were in big business that you

2049
01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:32,390
might get anything out of so you know

2050
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:34,250
you weren't gonna break into NASA

2051
01:41:38,590 --> 01:41:36,410
they're Apple Mackintosh's you were

2052
01:41:41,530 --> 01:41:38,600
getting in through mainframes and PCs

2053
01:41:43,660 --> 01:41:41,540
and windows machines so you know that

2054
01:41:45,370 --> 01:41:43,670
the Mac was never a big target I mean

2055
01:41:46,900 --> 01:41:45,380
there are people out there who think you

2056
01:41:49,030 --> 01:41:46,910
know that that's still the case and you

2057
01:41:50,890 --> 01:41:49,040
know since Apple has been taking you

2058
01:41:52,750 --> 01:41:50,900
know good gains and market share and

2059
01:41:54,670 --> 01:41:52,760
though in the recent you know I know the

2060
01:41:57,100 --> 01:41:54,680
last eight years or so really good gains

2061
01:42:00,040 --> 01:41:57,110
um they've become a target and the first

2062
01:42:01,810 --> 01:42:00,050
like real ransomware I mean I say real

2063
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:01,820
cuz it was kind of a joke it crashed

2064
01:42:08,200 --> 01:42:04,010
more than it ran when it infected you

2065
01:42:10,870 --> 01:42:08,210
for the Mac actually came out in 2016 by

2066
01:42:12,340 --> 01:42:10,880
2018 there was decent enough ransomware

2067
01:42:14,770 --> 01:42:12,350
it's still not on the level of the

2068
01:42:16,390 --> 01:42:14,780
Windows ransomware but it does what it's

2069
01:42:18,940 --> 01:42:16,400
supposed to and it works most of the

2070
01:42:20,350 --> 01:42:18,950
time and it'll attack it'll attack Mac

2071
01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:20,360
machines if you click on the wrong link

2072
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:24,650
now is there I want to talk browsers in

2073
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:26,570
just a second but what about operating

2074
01:42:33,550 --> 01:42:31,010
systems like Linux is is is that safer

2075
01:42:38,590 --> 01:42:33,560
or is it just that less people use it so

2076
01:42:42,310 --> 01:42:38,600
the hackers don't care you know it's

2077
01:42:44,050 --> 01:42:42,320
it's again it's one of those how big of

2078
01:42:45,940 --> 01:42:44,060
a target service you are and how good

2079
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:45,950
you've secured your system but there

2080
01:42:49,930 --> 01:42:48,050
have been multiple linux ransomware

2081
01:42:51,790 --> 01:42:49,940
attacks in the past that there was a

2082
01:42:54,010 --> 01:42:51,800
giant one called

2083
01:42:57,610 --> 01:42:54,020
kill disk there was another giant one

2084
01:42:59,650 --> 01:42:57,620
called the lie locked lie locked hit

2085
01:43:01,300 --> 01:42:59,660
thousands of linux servers I mean just

2086
01:43:04,330 --> 01:43:01,310
thousands of servers it was an automated

2087
01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:04,340
you know Auto spreading Trojan bot that

2088
01:43:09,970 --> 01:43:07,730
that did its ransomware campaign kill

2089
01:43:11,560 --> 01:43:09,980
disk was was a little worse because lie

2090
01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:11,570
locked at least they figured out how to

2091
01:43:16,150 --> 01:43:14,330
undo and the ransomware team actually

2092
01:43:17,890 --> 01:43:16,160
still existed kill disk was badly

2093
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:17,900
programmed and it couldn't actually

2094
01:43:22,990 --> 01:43:20,930
decrypt it itself couldn't decrypt so

2095
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:23,000
even if you like somehow paid the

2096
01:43:25,900 --> 01:43:24,530
ransomware and then tried to decrypt it

2097
01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:25,910
you weren't you weren't going to get

2098
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:30,170
through oh man that sucks yeah yeah I

2099
01:43:35,590 --> 01:43:32,810
mean yeah I mean the Linux ransomware

2100
01:43:37,990 --> 01:43:35,600
attacks really started in like late 2017

2101
01:43:39,610 --> 01:43:38,000
around there so again you know windows

2102
01:43:42,430 --> 01:43:39,620
ransomware attacks had been going on for

2103
01:43:45,220 --> 01:43:42,440
a few years by then so Windows was

2104
01:43:47,980 --> 01:43:45,230
definitely first but there are now solid

2105
01:43:49,540 --> 01:43:47,990
code bases for Linux attacks and solid

2106
01:43:51,580 --> 01:43:49,550
code bases for Mac attacks it's just

2107
01:43:55,420 --> 01:43:51,590
still more profitable to go against

2108
01:44:01,030 --> 01:43:55,430
Windows now going back to the movies we

2109
01:44:06,790 --> 01:44:01,040
have all seen the the different agencies

2110
01:44:09,850 --> 01:44:06,800
and and private security firms that have

2111
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:09,860
the ability to trace Internet traffic no

2112
01:44:17,650 --> 01:44:12,650
matter how complex it is even if it's on

2113
01:44:22,180 --> 01:44:17,660
the dark web the we've seen that with a

2114
01:44:25,390 --> 01:44:22,190
case like our evil and Grubman is it

2115
01:44:30,280 --> 01:44:25,400
possible to to chase this back to an

2116
01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:30,290
apartment in Belgrad it would it would

2117
01:44:36,070 --> 01:44:31,970
really take a mistake on their part at

2118
01:44:38,470 --> 01:44:36,080
this point on the team I mean if the

2119
01:44:40,930 --> 01:44:38,480
numbers are to be believed by the big

2120
01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:40,940
you know anti-malware teams and the big

2121
01:44:44,380 --> 01:44:42,770
security teams who have been hunting for

2122
01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:44,390
these people and even the numbers that

2123
01:44:47,980 --> 01:44:46,130
you know our government have put out

2124
01:44:50,650 --> 01:44:47,990
when you add them all up it's at a

2125
01:44:52,930 --> 01:44:50,660
minimum this malware strain has been

2126
01:44:57,190 --> 01:44:52,940
used for almost two billion dollars in

2127
01:44:59,050 --> 01:44:57,200
either ransom or fraud that's enough

2128
01:45:01,240 --> 01:44:59,060
money that the the right people who

2129
01:45:03,690 --> 01:45:01,250
would hunt you down are paying attention

2130
01:45:06,190 --> 01:45:03,700
and they still haven't caught them in

2131
01:45:07,810 --> 01:45:06,200
somewhere depending on you know there's

2132
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:07,820
rough estimates about when this strain

2133
01:45:11,110 --> 01:45:09,530
really started moving around somewhere

2134
01:45:14,920 --> 01:45:11,120
between two and a half to four years ago

2135
01:45:17,140 --> 01:45:14,930
mm-hmm so given that kind of a timeframe

2136
01:45:18,730 --> 01:45:17,150
that means there's at least two and a

2137
01:45:21,910 --> 01:45:18,740
half years minimum that this has been on

2138
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:21,920
on the just out there and it's made that

2139
01:45:25,780 --> 01:45:24,410
much money if they were dumb enough to

2140
01:45:28,420 --> 01:45:25,790
make mistakes they would have made them

2141
01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:28,430
already is usually the case they're

2142
01:45:32,170 --> 01:45:30,530
obviously not the ones going down to get

2143
01:45:34,300 --> 01:45:32,180
a coffee at the end of the street and

2144
01:45:36,250 --> 01:45:34,310
bragging to the barista that they're

2145
01:45:39,190 --> 01:45:36,260
gonna buy a new Bentley off of that

2146
01:45:41,470 --> 01:45:39,200
American they just screwed right so you

2147
01:45:44,260 --> 01:45:41,480
know it's gonna be a tough one they're

2148
01:45:48,430 --> 01:45:44,270
gonna have to slip up is it a situation

2149
01:45:51,880 --> 01:45:48,440
where there is the cyber aspect of the

2150
01:45:54,460 --> 01:45:51,890
forensic detective work but then there

2151
01:45:58,420 --> 01:45:54,470
is the old-fashioned police work right

2152
01:46:01,090 --> 01:45:58,430
human bodies out there you know chasing

2153
01:46:02,920 --> 01:46:01,100
these guys down ultimately is that how

2154
01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:02,930
they're gonna get caught you know kind

2155
01:46:07,480 --> 01:46:04,730
of like dead Pirate Roberts if you think

2156
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:07,490
about it yeah you know one of the

2157
01:46:12,190 --> 01:46:10,610
interesting things I think of is you

2158
01:46:15,100 --> 01:46:12,200
know that there was that first strain of

2159
01:46:17,110 --> 01:46:15,110
this specific ransomware as a service

2160
01:46:18,490 --> 01:46:17,120
that ran up you know almost two billion

2161
01:46:20,410 --> 01:46:18,500
dollars and then they went and retired

2162
01:46:23,140 --> 01:46:20,420
before the new people took the source

2163
01:46:26,200 --> 01:46:23,150
code and made this new version but that

2164
01:46:28,900 --> 01:46:26,210
first version in their kind of exit

2165
01:46:30,670 --> 01:46:28,910
message as they said we're retiring and

2166
01:46:32,890 --> 01:46:30,680
closed down the service and sold the

2167
01:46:34,330 --> 01:46:32,900
source code off their exit message said

2168
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:34,340
that they had spent the last you know

2169
01:46:39,580 --> 01:46:37,610
six months taking all the money and

2170
01:46:41,860 --> 01:46:39,590
putting it out into various business

2171
01:46:43,900 --> 01:46:41,870
ventures in ways which would not only

2172
01:46:45,910 --> 01:46:43,910
wash it but make their new ventures

2173
01:46:48,370 --> 01:46:45,920
clean and all the new ventures were

2174
01:46:49,690 --> 01:46:48,380
aboveboard normal businesses that you

2175
01:46:53,170 --> 01:46:49,700
know had nothing to do with illegal

2176
01:46:56,170 --> 01:46:53,180
things and so you know depending on how

2177
01:46:57,970 --> 01:46:56,180
good they actually washed that money and

2178
01:46:59,650 --> 01:46:57,980
how good their accounting his on all of

2179
01:47:02,860 --> 01:46:59,660
that you know that might be a vector

2180
01:47:04,330 --> 01:47:02,870
taxes are a lot of times like the the

2181
01:47:07,240 --> 01:47:04,340
best vector to find these types of

2182
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:07,250
things you know because then you get the

2183
01:47:12,850 --> 01:47:08,690
forensic accountants in right and they

2184
01:47:14,500 --> 01:47:12,860
find interesting things so it's again I

2185
01:47:16,390 --> 01:47:14,510
think it's gonna take a mistake to find

2186
01:47:18,160 --> 01:47:16,400
these people but if they get caught I

2187
01:47:19,870 --> 01:47:18,170
would say the first train gets caught

2188
01:47:22,090 --> 01:47:19,880
because they make some kind of a mistake

2189
01:47:23,650 --> 01:47:22,100
that outs that the funding of whatever

2190
01:47:24,520 --> 01:47:23,660
their new businesses are it didn't come

2191
01:47:26,470 --> 01:47:24,530
from the right places

2192
01:47:31,810 --> 01:47:26,480
do you think that we'll find out who is

2193
01:47:33,850 --> 01:47:31,820
behind it I don't have high hopes

2194
01:47:35,620 --> 01:47:33,860
actually long they've been doing this

2195
01:47:39,130 --> 01:47:35,630
for a while I mean there was another

2196
01:47:42,190 --> 01:47:39,140
hack yesterday by the our evil team on a

2197
01:47:44,530 --> 01:47:42,200
completely different company on Sherwood

2198
01:47:46,180 --> 01:47:44,540
I think it's like Sherwood enforced the

2199
01:47:48,370 --> 01:47:46,190
there are big food distributor that do

2200
01:47:50,350 --> 01:47:48,380
like all the truck driving for Kroger's

2201
01:47:53,380 --> 01:47:50,360
and Albertsons and all those other big

2202
01:47:55,720 --> 01:47:53,390
ones so like oh got out of them is going

2203
01:47:58,570 --> 01:47:55,730
to be tons of like contract data and

2204
01:48:00,640 --> 01:47:58,580
tons of vendor data from all those all

2205
01:48:02,920 --> 01:48:00,650
those big giant companies now isn't

2206
01:48:04,060 --> 01:48:02,930
Sherwood that's the Turcan company out

2207
01:48:05,890 --> 01:48:04,070
of Indiana right

2208
01:48:07,569 --> 01:48:05,900
like the biggest trucking company in the

2209
01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:07,579
United States yep

2210
01:48:13,720 --> 01:48:10,610
holy crap they got hit by our evil and

2211
01:48:15,069 --> 01:48:13,730
it looks like it happens somewhere you

2212
01:48:17,970 --> 01:48:15,079
know days ago and they've been talking

2213
01:48:21,939 --> 01:48:17,980
with the same kind of intermediary group

2214
01:48:24,310 --> 01:48:21,949
coke wave that that was trying to get

2215
01:48:26,410 --> 01:48:24,320
Grubman to pay - and was going in

2216
01:48:28,270 --> 01:48:26,420
between them and the hackers to try and

2217
01:48:30,370 --> 01:48:28,280
you know orchestrate the deal the same

2218
01:48:32,649 --> 01:48:30,380
group is trying to orchestrate with them

2219
01:48:34,600 --> 01:48:32,659
but it doesn't it's not gonna happen the

2220
01:48:36,220 --> 01:48:34,610
cybersecurity firm who's kind of doing a

2221
01:48:38,290 --> 01:48:36,230
lot of the teardown of this and figuring

2222
01:48:40,390 --> 01:48:38,300
out what's really happening dark out

2223
01:48:42,580 --> 01:48:40,400
already has copies of the conversations

2224
01:48:44,050 --> 01:48:42,590
and whatnot and it doesn't look like any

2225
01:48:45,720 --> 01:48:44,060
deals gonna be made there so it looks

2226
01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:45,730
like again this is gonna be just

2227
01:48:49,149 --> 01:48:47,690
old-style police work and some

2228
01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:49,159
cybersecurity work to see if they can

2229
01:48:52,229 --> 01:48:50,690
track anything and I don't think

2230
01:48:56,680 --> 01:48:52,239
anyone's getting paid off for that one

2231
01:49:01,569 --> 01:48:56,690
you just recovered from coronavirus what

2232
01:49:05,470 --> 01:49:01,579
is scarier to you right now you know are

2233
01:49:10,209 --> 01:49:05,480
evil and this type of ransomware that is

2234
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:10,219
part of a network on the dark web or a

2235
01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:14,090
real virus that's that is crippled the

2236
01:49:18,850 --> 01:49:16,090
planet what would you be more scared of

2237
01:49:21,160 --> 01:49:18,860
yeah I find I find this a really tough

2238
01:49:24,399 --> 01:49:21,170
question because like when I was sick I

2239
01:49:26,890 --> 01:49:24,409
had like my worst fever really hit it

2240
01:49:29,709 --> 01:49:26,900
bounced it between 101 and 102 but it

2241
01:49:31,060 --> 01:49:29,719
stayed there like constantly for a week

2242
01:49:33,250 --> 01:49:31,070
and a half like I did not drop below

2243
01:49:37,330 --> 01:49:33,260
that and so that's the part that really

2244
01:49:38,950 --> 01:49:37,340
sucked but I've actually hit 105 106 I

2245
01:49:40,810 --> 01:49:38,960
had scarlet fever when I was young and

2246
01:49:42,550 --> 01:49:40,820
actually you know a lot of times in

2247
01:49:44,229 --> 01:49:42,560
scarlet fever they have to let you

2248
01:49:46,569 --> 01:49:44,239
actually pass you know your heart and

2249
01:49:48,129 --> 01:49:46,579
brain stop and then they revived you

2250
01:49:50,500 --> 01:49:48,139
with the defibrillators to pop you back

2251
01:49:53,379 --> 01:49:50,510
hopefully because it breaks the fever

2252
01:49:55,810 --> 01:49:53,389
right right I'm so like I've had fevers

2253
01:49:58,959 --> 01:49:55,820
take me before uh-huh and this one did

2254
01:50:00,280 --> 01:49:58,969
not get that bad but still I mean you

2255
01:50:02,680 --> 01:50:00,290
know when when it comes to the online

2256
01:50:04,390 --> 01:50:02,690
stuff you could say I'm lucky I'm so

2257
01:50:08,339 --> 01:50:04,400
damn poor they have nothing to take from

2258
01:50:10,959 --> 01:50:08,349
me so I'm not too scared of them the

2259
01:50:13,569 --> 01:50:10,969
take my identity you will find that I

2260
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:13,579
own a TV and a bicycle not even a car

2261
01:50:22,280 --> 01:50:16,890
right and nothing else i exac

2262
01:50:24,050 --> 01:50:22,290
now I have often said that I have

2263
01:50:27,290 --> 01:50:24,060
nothing on my computers I don't care

2264
01:50:29,510 --> 01:50:27,300
right ransomware you lock this up and

2265
01:50:33,110 --> 01:50:29,520
you encrypt it good riddance

2266
01:50:36,350 --> 01:50:33,120
all right IIIi don't care hey I have

2267
01:50:39,620 --> 01:50:36,360
backups B I have three or four laptops

2268
01:50:42,230 --> 01:50:39,630
leaning against the wall that are ready

2269
01:50:45,020 --> 01:50:42,240
to go I can be up and running in in

2270
01:50:47,960 --> 01:50:45,030
minutes and I really honestly don't care

2271
01:50:50,240 --> 01:50:47,970
oh I'll buy another computer and I'll

2272
01:50:52,130 --> 01:50:50,250
back up my files everything else rests

2273
01:50:54,440 --> 01:50:52,140
in the cloud and I'm I'm not worried

2274
01:50:57,860 --> 01:50:54,450
about it but that's not the you know but

2275
01:51:00,500 --> 01:50:57,870
that's not the case with most people

2276
01:51:03,140 --> 01:51:00,510
and when this malware starts going

2277
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:03,150
rampant and and I thought a couple of

2278
01:51:10,130 --> 01:51:05,610
years ago that we were running into

2279
01:51:14,540 --> 01:51:10,140
situations in a global sense Greg where

2280
01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:14,550
any city Paris Washington DC New York

2281
01:51:22,310 --> 01:51:18,570
any integrated system could be held a

2282
01:51:24,260 --> 01:51:22,320
you know in jeopardy for ransom right

2283
01:51:28,070 --> 01:51:24,270
and that's that's what we're at it's

2284
01:51:29,660 --> 01:51:28,080
only a question of when right people

2285
01:51:32,570 --> 01:51:29,670
should use this as the wake-up call to

2286
01:51:34,460 --> 01:51:32,580
actually do proper rotated backups you

2287
01:51:36,170 --> 01:51:34,470
know like you said have another device

2288
01:51:38,360 --> 01:51:36,180
ready to go if it's that important to

2289
01:51:40,250 --> 01:51:38,370
you if you work from home and you don't

2290
01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:40,260
pay rent if you miss a few days you

2291
01:51:43,820 --> 01:51:41,970
better have a spare device I mean for

2292
01:51:45,350 --> 01:51:43,830
all you know your your CPU dies or your

2293
01:51:47,630 --> 01:51:45,360
power supply goes out or something

2294
01:51:49,430 --> 01:51:47,640
I mean unrelated to even the scary stuff

2295
01:51:51,020 --> 01:51:49,440
like you should just have a second

2296
01:51:54,500 --> 01:51:51,030
device in the first place if it's that

2297
01:51:55,580 --> 01:51:54,510
important to you but the backups you

2298
01:51:57,800 --> 01:51:55,590
know you bring up an interesting point

2299
01:51:59,510 --> 01:51:57,810
there like make sure that you have

2300
01:52:01,250 --> 01:51:59,520
backups but that you're doing your

2301
01:52:03,500 --> 01:52:01,260
backups in a way where one of your

2302
01:52:05,990 --> 01:52:03,510
backup drives every other day is not

2303
01:52:08,780 --> 01:52:06,000
actually plugged in so if your machine

2304
01:52:10,820 --> 01:52:08,790
gets hit nothing can hit that Drive then

2305
01:52:12,140 --> 01:52:10,830
you bring up your new fancy machine

2306
01:52:13,340 --> 01:52:12,150
that's leaning against the wall over

2307
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:13,350
there that you haven't been using yet

2308
01:52:18,470 --> 01:52:14,970
plugging your backup drive you're all

2309
01:52:21,440 --> 01:52:18,480
set now going back what you can set on

2310
01:52:23,120 --> 01:52:21,450
fire I guess at that point yes well you

2311
01:52:24,230 --> 01:52:23,130
know what and usually you need a new

2312
01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:24,240
computer anyway

2313
01:52:35,690 --> 01:52:29,970
so right back in 2000 I'm going to guess

2314
01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:35,700
here 2014 2015 Sony got their cyber

2315
01:52:43,910 --> 01:52:38,850
attack and the all the fingers pointed

2316
01:52:45,590 --> 01:52:43,920
at at North Korea and it was over the

2317
01:52:47,930 --> 01:52:45,600
release of what was the name of that

2318
01:52:52,220 --> 01:52:47,940
movie Craig help me help you

2319
01:52:56,540 --> 01:52:52,230
yeah the interview right ok so that went

2320
01:53:00,620 --> 01:52:56,550
down everything was allegedly North

2321
01:53:02,150 --> 01:53:00,630
Korea I'm not so sure looking back that

2322
01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:02,160
that was the case still could have been

2323
01:53:11,530 --> 01:53:05,610
I don't know but what would stop a

2324
01:53:15,050 --> 01:53:11,540
country like North Korea or Iran or

2325
01:53:18,590 --> 01:53:15,060
Pakistan or another player to jump on

2326
01:53:24,170 --> 01:53:18,600
the dark web and and sign up to the are

2327
01:53:26,720 --> 01:53:24,180
evil focus group and take advantage of

2328
01:53:28,810 --> 01:53:26,730
this I mean absolutely nothing I mean we

2329
01:53:31,820 --> 01:53:28,820
know that North Korea does this stuff

2330
01:53:33,890 --> 01:53:31,830
about we we believe we can attribute at

2331
01:53:36,740 --> 01:53:33,900
least one third of the Bitcoin hacks

2332
01:53:38,870 --> 01:53:36,750
that took big hauls of bitcoins out of

2333
01:53:41,840 --> 01:53:38,880
the exchanges as they get hacked to

2334
01:53:43,100 --> 01:53:41,850
North Korea taking the bitcoins so no

2335
01:53:44,900 --> 01:53:43,110
they they do stuff like this all the

2336
01:53:46,490 --> 01:53:44,910
time I mean you gotta remember if you're

2337
01:53:48,380 --> 01:53:46,500
talking North Korea you're dealing with

2338
01:53:50,870 --> 01:53:48,390
the country that makes a fair amount of

2339
01:53:53,570 --> 01:53:50,880
its GDP by filling ships with crystal

2340
01:53:56,030 --> 01:53:53,580
meth to ship around the world you know

2341
01:53:57,620 --> 01:53:56,040
so like they they don't really have

2342
01:54:03,560 --> 01:53:57,630
anything stopping them from doing any of

2343
01:54:06,740 --> 01:54:03,570
this the the fear whenever I see a

2344
01:54:09,680 --> 01:54:06,750
really good crime go down in a movie

2345
01:54:13,280 --> 01:54:09,690
right where I go wow okay well they just

2346
01:54:15,740 --> 01:54:13,290
laid the groundwork for any criminal any

2347
01:54:18,110 --> 01:54:15,750
terrorist Huck and a really creative

2348
01:54:21,080 --> 01:54:18,120
idea on how to get things done

2349
01:54:24,410 --> 01:54:21,090
and then these types of hats you get it

2350
01:54:26,630 --> 01:54:24,420
wrong you always have to look at it is

2351
01:54:28,130 --> 01:54:26,640
what is the piece of the puzzle that

2352
01:54:29,780 --> 01:54:28,140
they just showed you that they

2353
01:54:31,370 --> 01:54:29,790
specifically left out because the

2354
01:54:33,590 --> 01:54:31,380
lawyers wanted to make sure whatever

2355
01:54:34,850 --> 01:54:33,600
their thing was was nerfed enough that

2356
01:54:36,569 --> 01:54:34,860
no one could just follow these

2357
01:54:38,849 --> 01:54:36,579
directions yeah

2358
01:54:40,319 --> 01:54:38,859
look for the hole and see if you can

2359
01:54:41,969 --> 01:54:40,329
honestly fill it if you can then great

2360
01:54:44,459 --> 01:54:41,979
you've got you've got a great plan but

2361
01:54:46,829 --> 01:54:44,469
but usually there's one step missing and

2362
01:54:52,020 --> 01:54:46,839
it's very much on purpose yeah exactly

2363
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:52,030
but it's the germ of the idea right it's

2364
01:54:57,509 --> 01:54:53,530
people they can do it yeah that's what

2365
01:54:59,639 --> 01:54:57,519
I'm talking about and so with this with

2366
01:55:03,089 --> 01:54:59,649
Grubman and I can't believe Sherwood I

2367
01:55:07,409 --> 01:55:03,099
did I didn't read about this yet that's

2368
01:55:10,560 --> 01:55:07,419
pretty shocking but people read this and

2369
01:55:11,969 --> 01:55:10,570
if you've got a low moral compass you

2370
01:55:15,089 --> 01:55:11,979
read this in you're like well this is

2371
01:55:18,089 --> 01:55:15,099
actually pretty easy for anybody to do

2372
01:55:22,020 --> 01:55:18,099
is this letting criminals know how to go

2373
01:55:25,560 --> 01:55:22,030
and do things I mean sure but every news

2374
01:55:26,729 --> 01:55:25,570
coverage of I just you know robbed a

2375
01:55:28,409 --> 01:55:26,739
bank which you know you get that

2376
01:55:31,919 --> 01:55:28,419
coverage every day says oh you can rob a

2377
01:55:34,560 --> 01:55:31,929
bank the only thing they do on those is

2378
01:55:36,750 --> 01:55:34,570
they don't really show much news

2379
01:55:38,040 --> 01:55:36,760
coverage of and they got away they only

2380
01:55:39,239 --> 01:55:38,050
show the coverage when the guy gets

2381
01:55:42,899 --> 01:55:39,249
arrested because they don't want to

2382
01:55:45,060 --> 01:55:42,909
encourage it like I mean should everyone

2383
01:55:46,770 --> 01:55:45,070
covers everything that could teach you

2384
01:55:49,079 --> 01:55:46,780
how to do all kinds of bad things it's

2385
01:55:51,179 --> 01:55:49,089
no different here now when we come back

2386
01:55:53,489 --> 01:55:51,189
after the break I'm gonna talk you talk

2387
01:55:55,049 --> 01:55:53,499
to you about the vetting process that

2388
01:55:58,829 --> 01:55:55,059
criminals have to go through on the dark

2389
01:56:01,379 --> 01:55:58,839
web right you can't obviously they have

2390
01:56:04,709 --> 01:56:01,389
to vet their criminal brethren oh

2391
01:56:10,799 --> 01:56:04,719
absolutely they have to vet them you

2392
01:56:14,699 --> 01:56:10,809
can't allow the FBI and ro or whoever in

2393
01:56:16,979 --> 01:56:14,709
the NSA to just sign up for you you know

2394
01:56:20,909 --> 01:56:16,989
you can't let the keys to the kingdom go

2395
01:56:26,719 --> 01:56:20,919
right right criminals are vetted they

2396
01:56:30,060 --> 01:56:26,729
are when if if I was on the dark web

2397
01:56:32,729 --> 01:56:30,070
Greg and I'm not saying that that I ever

2398
01:56:34,919 --> 01:56:32,739
have been or that you have ever have

2399
01:56:37,919 --> 01:56:34,929
been so let's just talk in hypotheticals

2400
01:56:40,109 --> 01:56:37,929
here but if you Greg we're on the dark

2401
01:56:43,889 --> 01:56:40,119
web and you wanted to buy some really

2402
01:56:45,659 --> 01:56:43,899
good heroin right or it's on a fentanyl

2403
01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:45,669
and get it delivered

2404
01:56:49,229 --> 01:56:47,530
you just can't sign up to have that done

2405
01:56:49,660 --> 01:56:49,239
there's a whole process involved right

2406
01:56:55,209 --> 01:56:49,670
you have

2407
01:56:57,070 --> 01:56:55,219
background is vetted and all of this has

2408
01:56:59,770 --> 01:56:57,080
gone through it has to work that way

2409
01:57:01,030 --> 01:56:59,780
used to be so much easier and every year

2410
01:57:03,880 --> 01:57:01,040
it gets harder because sites keep

2411
01:57:05,410 --> 01:57:03,890
getting attacked right and the the

2412
01:57:07,720 --> 01:57:05,420
people operating them keep going to jail

2413
01:57:10,600 --> 01:57:07,730
so the vetting process has gotten

2414
01:57:13,600 --> 01:57:10,610
stronger and stronger as it goes so now

2415
01:57:16,510 --> 01:57:13,610
it's to the point where a user of the

2416
01:57:18,010 --> 01:57:16,520
site that's already vetted and one other

2417
01:57:20,410 --> 01:57:18,020
person from the site that's at least

2418
01:57:22,360 --> 01:57:20,420
like a moderator have to both know you

2419
01:57:24,700 --> 01:57:22,370
and invite you and vouch for you and

2420
01:57:27,130 --> 01:57:24,710
then you have to go through a bunch of

2421
01:57:29,320 --> 01:57:27,140
Hoops of answering a bunch of questions

2422
01:57:31,120 --> 01:57:29,330
that they think that you about not doing

2423
01:57:34,169 --> 01:57:31,130
this and then you've got to submit

2424
01:57:36,580 --> 01:57:34,179
almost a resume of stuff that you uh

2425
01:57:38,950 --> 01:57:36,590
that you've done in the past that prove

2426
01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:38,960
that you know you're just like them well

2427
01:57:46,330 --> 01:57:44,810
and if you're a heroin user this process

2428
01:57:49,600 --> 01:57:46,340
could take a long time you can go and do

2429
01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:49,610
withdrawals right depending on you know

2430
01:57:52,390 --> 01:57:51,050
one of the sites you're trying to sign

2431
01:57:55,270 --> 01:57:52,400
up to that that could be a two-week

2432
01:57:56,919 --> 01:57:55,280
process right your resource then you

2433
01:57:58,870 --> 01:57:56,929
could be having serious problems it's

2434
01:58:00,100 --> 01:57:58,880
like I was talking to someone at the

2435
01:58:02,169 --> 01:58:00,110
very beginning of all of us

2436
01:58:06,070 --> 01:58:02,179
Kovach stuff and they were yelling that

2437
01:58:07,390 --> 01:58:06,080
here in Massachusetts the the all the

2438
01:58:09,700 --> 01:58:07,400
alcohol was still available all the

2439
01:58:13,060 --> 01:58:09,710
stores were for liquor they were all

2440
01:58:15,490 --> 01:58:13,070
open and in what the hell how are those

2441
01:58:18,520 --> 01:58:15,500
two and I was like if this lasts long

2442
01:58:20,890 --> 01:58:18,530
enough people with alcoholism will die

2443
01:58:23,770 --> 01:58:20,900
in their homes if they don't have access

2444
01:58:25,479 --> 01:58:23,780
to it it is actually better to have them

2445
01:58:27,790 --> 01:58:25,489
still having access to it even though we

2446
01:58:31,120 --> 01:58:27,800
know that's a disease then having them

2447
01:58:33,880 --> 01:58:31,130
clog up the hospitals right now and they

2448
01:58:36,550 --> 01:58:33,890
were like oh now I get it now with

2449
01:58:39,520 --> 01:58:36,560
Bitcoin getting closer and closer to

2450
01:58:42,939 --> 01:58:39,530
somehow being normal you know I think

2451
01:58:47,709 --> 01:58:42,949
everybody now knows what a Bitcoin is

2452
01:58:51,250 --> 01:58:47,719
right and it it's how easy is it to do a

2453
01:58:54,760 --> 01:58:51,260
Bitcoin transaction if I am new if I'm

2454
01:58:58,330 --> 01:58:54,770
new to Bitcoin right brand new how easy

2455
01:58:59,979 --> 01:58:58,340
is it for me to get a Bitcoin open an

2456
01:59:04,090 --> 01:58:59,989
account and go out and buy something

2457
01:59:06,580 --> 01:59:04,100
with a Bitcoin very I mean it depends on

2458
01:59:08,260 --> 01:59:06,590
kind of how strong you want your

2459
01:59:09,610 --> 01:59:08,270
platform to be like if you're looking

2460
01:59:12,130 --> 01:59:09,620
for something that you would look at

2461
01:59:14,229 --> 01:59:12,140
more like your bank then you're going to

2462
01:59:17,229 --> 01:59:14,239
someone like a coin base you know a US

2463
01:59:19,419 --> 01:59:17,239
company that kind of handles things in a

2464
01:59:21,010 --> 01:59:19,429
very Bank like way there there are a

2465
01:59:23,020 --> 01:59:21,020
hundred other sites you could go to that

2466
01:59:25,360 --> 01:59:23,030
you know as they get easier to access

2467
01:59:28,870 --> 01:59:25,370
and quicker to give you the Bitcoin the

2468
01:59:30,550 --> 01:59:28,880
less trustworthy they happen to be so

2469
01:59:31,900 --> 01:59:30,560
you got to kind of figure out where you

2470
01:59:33,100 --> 01:59:31,910
want to be but I mean there there are

2471
01:59:34,750 --> 01:59:33,110
websites you can go to right now and

2472
01:59:36,850 --> 01:59:34,760
just you know with a credit card buy

2473
01:59:38,709 --> 01:59:36,860
Bitcoin and by the time you've signed up

2474
01:59:40,900 --> 01:59:38,719
for the account bought it and spent it

2475
01:59:44,250 --> 01:59:40,910
you're you know twenty minutes in twenty

2476
01:59:47,500 --> 01:59:44,260
minutes in and so for these ransomware

2477
01:59:50,470 --> 01:59:47,510
guys out there these transactions are

2478
01:59:52,959 --> 01:59:50,480
done in Bitcoin right yeah but getting

2479
01:59:54,640 --> 01:59:52,969
you know large sums of Bitcoin is a

2480
01:59:56,320 --> 01:59:54,650
whole different story you've got to get

2481
01:59:58,300 --> 01:59:56,330
someone with that kind of Bitcoin to

2482
02:00:00,100 --> 01:59:58,310
sell you so you need one of the

2483
02:00:03,040 --> 02:00:00,110
institutional sellers to do it and a lot

2484
02:00:04,780 --> 02:00:03,050
of times that that works more like say

2485
02:00:07,030 --> 02:00:04,790
moving big stocks where you've got to

2486
02:00:08,950 --> 02:00:07,040
become you know bitcoins version of

2487
02:00:10,419 --> 02:00:08,960
accredited you know someone like a coin

2488
02:00:11,830 --> 02:00:10,429
base gives you an account that only lets

2489
02:00:13,660 --> 02:00:11,840
you play around with up to five thousand

2490
02:00:15,010 --> 02:00:13,670
dollars until you've done that for a

2491
02:00:16,900 --> 02:00:15,020
while and proven some things and

2492
02:00:18,850 --> 02:00:16,910
submitted extra documents and then then

2493
02:00:20,740 --> 02:00:18,860
maybe you can play with twenty and so on

2494
02:00:22,750 --> 02:00:20,750
and so on so suddenly having to pay a

2495
02:00:24,250 --> 02:00:22,760
million dollar ransom in Bitcoin they're

2496
02:00:25,810 --> 02:00:24,260
gonna look at you funny that's why

2497
02:00:27,550 --> 02:00:25,820
that's right giving you a million

2498
02:00:28,930 --> 02:00:27,560
dollars worth unless you could really

2499
02:00:31,209 --> 02:00:28,940
prove to us what you're gonna do with it

2500
02:00:32,860 --> 02:00:31,219
and we're okay with it right so you can

2501
02:00:34,390 --> 02:00:32,870
go find it though I mean it's it again

2502
02:00:35,890 --> 02:00:34,400
it's one of those things if you really

2503
02:00:37,600 --> 02:00:35,900
know what you're doing you'll find a

2504
02:00:39,340 --> 02:00:37,610
million dollars in Bitcoin that they'll

2505
02:00:42,040 --> 02:00:39,350
sell you they'll just gonna charge you a

2506
02:00:44,229 --> 02:00:42,050
little extra fee for how fast you want

2507
02:00:45,900 --> 02:00:44,239
it let's take our break right here our

2508
02:00:48,470 --> 02:00:45,910
guest tonight Gregg Housh

2509
02:00:51,230 --> 02:00:48,480
discussing this hack

2510
02:00:54,140 --> 02:00:51,240
with Grubman and associates in new york

2511
02:00:57,080 --> 02:00:54,150
city demanding twenty five forty two

2512
02:00:59,780 --> 02:00:57,090
billion dollars in ransom how they got

2513
02:01:01,250 --> 02:00:59,790
it done how do you pay the ransom we'll

2514
02:01:10,689 --> 02:01:01,260
follow up with everything after this

2515
02:01:16,520 --> 02:01:13,970
this is kera digital broadcasting

2516
02:01:19,790 --> 02:01:16,530
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2517
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2520
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2521
02:01:29,029 --> 02:01:26,250
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2522
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2530
02:01:50,029 --> 02:01:47,730
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2531
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2534
02:01:59,959 --> 02:01:58,079
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2535
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2536
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2537
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2540
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2542
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2543
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2544
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2552
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2555
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2556
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2557
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2558
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2559
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the most ignored organs in the human

2560
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2561
02:03:12,140 --> 02:03:10,139
from the body the less time that way

2562
02:03:14,060 --> 02:03:12,150
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2563
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2564
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2565
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2566
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2567
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2568
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2569
02:03:28,970 --> 02:03:26,400
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2570
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2571
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2572
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2573
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2574
02:03:40,270 --> 02:03:38,760
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2575
02:03:42,470 --> 02:03:40,280
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2576
02:03:44,180 --> 02:03:42,480
did you know that when you're on the

2577
02:03:46,640 --> 02:03:44,190
road with limited data or Wi-Fi

2578
02:03:48,560 --> 02:03:46,650
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2579
02:03:51,350 --> 02:03:48,570
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2580
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2581
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2582
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2585
02:04:07,189 --> 02:04:04,469
eight two you can listen to me Jimmy

2586
02:04:14,040 --> 02:04:07,199
Church on any phone anytime anywhere

2587
02:04:18,080 --> 02:04:15,730
[Music]

2588
02:04:20,370 --> 02:04:18,090
[Applause]

2589
02:04:24,450 --> 02:04:20,380
you want to know a secret

2590
02:04:27,420 --> 02:04:24,460
I love ponies I really love ponies I'm

2591
02:04:31,950 --> 02:04:27,430
serious I couldn't stay sane without

2592
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Pony mr. Brooks I fade to black because

2593
02:04:41,200 --> 02:04:39,040
this is fade to black

2594
02:04:44,860 --> 02:04:41,210
with Jimmy Church on the game changer

2595
02:04:47,270 --> 02:04:44,870
radio network at K GRA the global radio

2596
02:05:00,830 --> 02:04:47,280
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2597
02:05:04,820 --> 02:05:03,020
welcome back fade to black I am your

2598
02:05:07,940 --> 02:05:04,830
host him you church tonight our guest

2599
02:05:10,870 --> 02:05:07,950
Gregg Housh talking about the recent

2600
02:05:15,110 --> 02:05:10,880
hacking of a New York law firm by the

2601
02:05:17,330 --> 02:05:15,120
malware our evil they stole secret files

2602
02:05:21,380 --> 02:05:17,340
on our demanding ransom of 42 million

2603
02:05:24,290 --> 02:05:21,390
dollars and were threatening to reveal

2604
02:05:27,110 --> 02:05:24,300
dirty laundry dirty laundry and Donald

2605
02:05:29,360 --> 02:05:27,120
Trump it apparently Gregg has let us

2606
02:05:32,060 --> 02:05:29,370
know that that information on Donald

2607
02:05:34,070 --> 02:05:32,070
Trump has been purchased now I would

2608
02:05:38,960 --> 02:05:34,080
assume Gregg that that was purchased

2609
02:05:41,690 --> 02:05:38,970
with Bitcoin how the the one thing about

2610
02:05:46,670 --> 02:05:41,700
Bitcoin that is so talked about is that

2611
02:05:50,360 --> 02:05:46,680
it is anonymous no pun intended and its

2612
02:05:53,330 --> 02:05:50,370
use is virtually untraceable certainly

2613
02:05:57,110 --> 02:05:53,340
if you want to go down that road your

2614
02:05:59,660 --> 02:05:57,120
activities are virtually invisible is

2615
02:06:05,030 --> 02:05:59,670
that actually the case when we talk

2616
02:06:08,480 --> 02:06:05,040
about Bitcoin no the bitcoin is not

2617
02:06:11,420 --> 02:06:08,490
anonymous in itself and as itself and

2618
02:06:13,490 --> 02:06:11,430
even its initial documentation hasn't

2619
02:06:14,960 --> 02:06:13,500
claimed to be it has been many other

2620
02:06:18,250 --> 02:06:14,970
people in the community who have claimed

2621
02:06:22,700 --> 02:06:18,260
that it somehow offers that ability you

2622
02:06:24,500 --> 02:06:22,710
you have to buy the Bitcoin so right

2623
02:06:26,420 --> 02:06:24,510
then and there there's money that's

2624
02:06:29,450 --> 02:06:26,430
that's the worst trail you can ever have

2625
02:06:32,150 --> 02:06:29,460
right so depending on how you've bought

2626
02:06:34,190 --> 02:06:32,160
it you know like here locally in my town

2627
02:06:36,320 --> 02:06:34,200
I there's a Liberty a place that I can

2628
02:06:38,570 --> 02:06:36,330
go to and I can actually buy Bitcoin

2629
02:06:41,060 --> 02:06:38,580
which is straight cash without giving my

2630
02:06:43,940 --> 02:06:41,070
name and they give me a code but that

2631
02:06:45,200 --> 02:06:43,950
goes into an app that's on my phone so

2632
02:06:47,030 --> 02:06:45,210
right there there's some identifying

2633
02:06:48,410 --> 02:06:47,040
data already and if you've got you know

2634
02:06:50,240 --> 02:06:48,420
you're the other saying you've got some

2635
02:06:54,050 --> 02:06:50,250
malware on my phone you know what I just

2636
02:06:55,460 --> 02:06:54,060
did so you know it's it's not truly

2637
02:06:59,030 --> 02:06:55,470
anonymous in any of these types of

2638
02:07:01,520 --> 02:06:59,040
senses but can you anonymize it sure

2639
02:07:03,830 --> 02:07:01,530
there are ways to make it really hard to

2640
02:07:04,780 --> 02:07:03,840
track if you do a lot of extra technical

2641
02:07:07,730 --> 02:07:04,790
stuff

2642
02:07:10,270 --> 02:07:07,740
most of these start with tools called

2643
02:07:12,130 --> 02:07:10,280
tumblers where

2644
02:07:14,410 --> 02:07:12,140
where it's really interesting like let's

2645
02:07:16,330 --> 02:07:14,420
say there are five people who need to

2646
02:07:18,580 --> 02:07:16,340
spend Bitcoin but they don't want it to

2647
02:07:20,410 --> 02:07:18,590
be tracked to them they've got five

2648
02:07:22,420 --> 02:07:20,420
addresses that they need to send to the

2649
02:07:23,980 --> 02:07:22,430
Bitcoin to get bitcoins these big long

2650
02:07:27,310 --> 02:07:23,990
strings that are called addresses right

2651
02:07:29,950 --> 02:07:27,320
mm-hm and and then they all send to the

2652
02:07:32,770 --> 02:07:29,960
tumblr with the metadata of tumblr could

2653
02:07:35,200 --> 02:07:32,780
you send this to that address the tumblr

2654
02:07:38,020 --> 02:07:35,210
then takes all of their Bitcoin mixes it

2655
02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:38,030
up together buys other Bitcoin sells

2656
02:07:42,040 --> 02:07:39,770
other Bitcoin trades it in for Bitcoin

2657
02:07:44,740 --> 02:07:42,050
it already has whatever moves it all

2658
02:07:47,560 --> 02:07:44,750
around a hundred times and then sends

2659
02:07:49,660 --> 02:07:47,570
some other random bitcoins off to those

2660
02:07:51,670 --> 02:07:49,670
end results and because it's moved

2661
02:07:53,680 --> 02:07:51,680
through so many different addresses and

2662
02:07:55,690 --> 02:07:53,690
so many different owners by the time it

2663
02:07:59,380 --> 02:07:55,700
gets to the other end saying that that

2664
02:08:01,630 --> 02:07:59,390
one person paid that one person is much

2665
02:08:03,430 --> 02:08:01,640
harder now there are many tumblr

2666
02:08:05,350 --> 02:08:03,440
services out there and some are way

2667
02:08:08,170 --> 02:08:05,360
better than others some have been

2668
02:08:10,570 --> 02:08:08,180
defeated some haven't but that's that's

2669
02:08:12,070 --> 02:08:10,580
the easiest way to do it because tumblr

2670
02:08:16,030 --> 02:08:12,080
services you can actually just like sign

2671
02:08:19,900 --> 02:08:16,040
up for and set up accounts and hours now

2672
02:08:23,980 --> 02:08:19,910
if we're talking about 42 million

2673
02:08:30,720 --> 02:08:23,990
dollars in Bitcoin how easy is that

2674
02:08:34,630 --> 02:08:30,730
for these hackers to receive and and to

2675
02:08:37,600 --> 02:08:34,640
to you know stay invisible is the best

2676
02:08:39,460 --> 02:08:37,610
word to put it it's very hard most of

2677
02:08:41,560 --> 02:08:39,470
the major ransom payouts that have

2678
02:08:43,900 --> 02:08:41,570
happened in Bitcoin have been traceable

2679
02:08:45,940 --> 02:08:43,910
to a point like you know they see the

2680
02:08:48,070 --> 02:08:45,950
initial address they've sent it to there

2681
02:08:49,930 --> 02:08:48,080
are all kinds of tracking tools out

2682
02:08:52,120 --> 02:08:49,940
there you can look at the blockchain and

2683
02:08:53,950 --> 02:08:52,130
see you know that money went into this

2684
02:08:56,140 --> 02:08:53,960
one and then from there into this other

2685
02:08:57,790 --> 02:08:56,150
one and then from there was split among

2686
02:09:00,310 --> 02:08:57,800
these three and so on and so on and if

2687
02:09:02,800 --> 02:09:00,320
you follow it through the chain you'll

2688
02:09:05,200 --> 02:09:02,810
usually find that you know it was 40

2689
02:09:07,420 --> 02:09:05,210
million and 5 million ended up in this

2690
02:09:09,760 --> 02:09:07,430
one exchange in Vietnam and five million

2691
02:09:11,680 --> 02:09:09,770
ended up in this one in Germany and then

2692
02:09:14,800 --> 02:09:11,690
it might end up going out to 50 other

2693
02:09:16,960 --> 02:09:14,810
people so again you know one of the

2694
02:09:19,260 --> 02:09:16,970
things that can happen with certain

2695
02:09:21,880 --> 02:09:19,270
cryptocurrency type transactions is

2696
02:09:22,620 --> 02:09:21,890
certain addresses coins that go through

2697
02:09:27,360 --> 02:09:22,630
them

2698
02:09:29,669 --> 02:09:27,370
get marked as dirty in a way where the

2699
02:09:31,800 --> 02:09:29,679
exchanges all know they've got a list of

2700
02:09:36,360 --> 02:09:31,810
coins that are that are obviously either

2701
02:09:38,160 --> 02:09:36,370
from hacks or from ransoms and so they

2702
02:09:40,229 --> 02:09:38,170
can even you know once those go into

2703
02:09:43,020 --> 02:09:40,239
their accounts if let's say you show up

2704
02:09:44,970 --> 02:09:43,030
with one of those coins on coinbase like

2705
02:09:47,310 --> 02:09:44,980
someone sends it to you they'll know

2706
02:09:48,689 --> 02:09:47,320
that came from a ransom and they'll be

2707
02:09:50,899 --> 02:09:48,699
able to alert authorities if they feel

2708
02:09:53,399 --> 02:09:50,909
like it I mean that's on them really um

2709
02:09:55,709 --> 02:09:53,409
that we have an account user that looks

2710
02:09:57,330 --> 02:09:55,719
to be a normal guy that doesn't look to

2711
02:09:59,610 --> 02:09:57,340
have had anything to do with it but

2712
02:10:01,950 --> 02:09:59,620
somehow has one of those coins maybe you

2713
02:10:04,260 --> 02:10:01,960
want to follow back from him you know

2714
02:10:08,129 --> 02:10:04,270
things like that so there are trails

2715
02:10:10,100 --> 02:10:08,139
everywhere it's pretty hard but again

2716
02:10:14,100 --> 02:10:10,110
the hackers behind this one have been

2717
02:10:15,270 --> 02:10:14,110
really really good again the numbers

2718
02:10:19,830 --> 02:10:15,280
that we're talking about is they've

2719
02:10:23,010 --> 02:10:19,840
extracted two billion dollars now good

2720
02:10:24,090 --> 02:10:23,020
the are the extreme they're obfuscating

2721
02:10:26,970 --> 02:10:24,100
they're switching to other crypto

2722
02:10:28,800 --> 02:10:26,980
currencies they are really good and it

2723
02:10:30,689 --> 02:10:28,810
takes a certain level to be there like I

2724
02:10:32,250 --> 02:10:30,699
would be surprised if one of these

2725
02:10:33,930 --> 02:10:32,260
people wasn't trained by like a

2726
02:10:39,360 --> 02:10:33,940
government to be on one of their hacking

2727
02:10:44,040 --> 02:10:39,370
squads the the ability to do this is one

2728
02:10:49,080 --> 02:10:44,050
thing and then the exchanges on the

2729
02:10:51,660 --> 02:10:49,090
other hand want to be part of the the

2730
02:10:55,680 --> 02:10:51,670
rebel Bitcoin community and what it

2731
02:10:58,260 --> 02:10:55,690
represents but they also odd to be right

2732
02:11:01,709 --> 02:10:58,270
well of course and then others want to

2733
02:11:04,229 --> 02:11:01,719
be legitimate like a normal like a

2734
02:11:08,970 --> 02:11:04,239
normal bank and have that have that

2735
02:11:12,240 --> 02:11:08,980
image so what are they are they ready

2736
02:11:15,990 --> 02:11:12,250
and willing to share information with

2737
02:11:18,479 --> 02:11:16,000
different law enforcement authorities

2738
02:11:21,090 --> 02:11:18,489
around the world and does that tarnish

2739
02:11:23,189 --> 02:11:21,100
the reputation for those criminals that

2740
02:11:25,919 --> 02:11:23,199
are washing Willing most of them aren't

2741
02:11:28,340 --> 02:11:25,929
set up in a way where they're just gonna

2742
02:11:31,260 --> 02:11:28,350
offer up the information out of nowhere

2743
02:11:33,120 --> 02:11:31,270
they try to stick to the letter of the

2744
02:11:35,700 --> 02:11:33,130
law so you know coinbase here has

2745
02:11:37,770 --> 02:11:35,710
certain reporting responsibilities

2746
02:11:40,340 --> 02:11:37,780
due to the regulations of the financial

2747
02:11:45,530 --> 02:11:40,350
institutions they're interacting with so

2748
02:11:48,030 --> 02:11:45,540
they do have some absolutely regulated

2749
02:11:51,060 --> 02:11:48,040
reasons that they have to report certain

2750
02:11:53,250 --> 02:11:51,070
things due to just how strong the

2751
02:11:55,080 --> 02:11:53,260
financial regulations are but for the

2752
02:11:57,030 --> 02:11:55,090
most part if they just know that this

2753
02:11:59,250 --> 02:11:57,040
looks fishy they're not just gonna call

2754
02:12:01,860 --> 02:11:59,260
the cops on you they don't want their

2755
02:12:05,790 --> 02:12:01,870
reputation ever tarnished by the fact

2756
02:12:07,970 --> 02:12:05,800
that they initiated the action depending

2757
02:12:10,950 --> 02:12:07,980
on what type of action it is they might

2758
02:12:13,020 --> 02:12:10,960
fight a warrant for information or they

2759
02:12:14,370 --> 02:12:13,030
might not fight that warrant and just

2760
02:12:16,020 --> 02:12:14,380
let it go through but either way they

2761
02:12:17,640 --> 02:12:16,030
kind of want the government to at least

2762
02:12:19,740 --> 02:12:17,650
take that step so they can have some

2763
02:12:21,600 --> 02:12:19,750
deniability and ever actually working

2764
02:12:24,330 --> 02:12:21,610
with the government you know willingly

2765
02:12:25,709 --> 02:12:24,340
now we were talking before the break and

2766
02:12:29,100 --> 02:12:25,719
I'm going to get back to it

2767
02:12:33,630 --> 02:12:29,110
the vetting of criminals all right

2768
02:12:36,840 --> 02:12:33,640
this is something that has to happen in

2769
02:12:41,130 --> 02:12:36,850
the dark web and for the dark web to

2770
02:12:44,820 --> 02:12:41,140
operate effectively that that has to go

2771
02:12:46,350 --> 02:12:44,830
down and I know it sounds strange but

2772
02:12:49,860 --> 02:12:46,360
there has to be a certain amount of

2773
02:12:53,190 --> 02:12:49,870
honor amongst thieves and it has to

2774
02:12:56,010 --> 02:12:53,200
happen that way and and these guys on

2775
02:12:57,090 --> 02:12:56,020
the dark web are absolute criminals to

2776
02:13:01,410 --> 02:12:57,100
the core

2777
02:13:04,350 --> 02:13:01,420
it's their job but well criminals will

2778
02:13:07,560 --> 02:13:04,360
also screw other criminals and that is

2779
02:13:09,900 --> 02:13:07,570
happening on the dark web probably as

2780
02:13:12,180 --> 02:13:09,910
much as anything else that is going on

2781
02:13:16,470 --> 02:13:12,190
out there it is that crazy of an

2782
02:13:19,320 --> 02:13:16,480
environment isn't it it is for the dark

2783
02:13:21,209 --> 02:13:19,330
web ones you know you've got a you've

2784
02:13:24,930 --> 02:13:21,219
got to know someone who knows someone or

2785
02:13:27,450 --> 02:13:24,940
work your way up you know so you might

2786
02:13:30,390 --> 02:13:27,460
end up on some of the more plain text

2787
02:13:31,709 --> 02:13:30,400
ones like say if you don't want to go

2788
02:13:33,830 --> 02:13:31,719
over to the dark web but you want to

2789
02:13:36,840 --> 02:13:33,840
kind of start playing around with the

2790
02:13:38,670 --> 02:13:36,850
the lesser forms of this you'd go to

2791
02:13:41,280 --> 02:13:38,680
raid forums it's literally a trade

2792
02:13:43,140 --> 02:13:41,290
forums calm right there

2793
02:13:44,970 --> 02:13:43,150
go have fun there's multiple data

2794
02:13:47,529 --> 02:13:44,980
breaches there for sale every day you

2795
02:13:49,689 --> 02:13:47,539
can sign right up

2796
02:13:51,310 --> 02:13:49,699
but you know you'll you'll earn a record

2797
02:13:53,020 --> 02:13:51,320
there of someone who's actually done

2798
02:13:54,339 --> 02:13:53,030
pretty good for a while and then you'll

2799
02:13:56,709 --> 02:13:54,349
make friends with a few people on the

2800
02:13:58,120 --> 02:13:56,719
dark web and you know by the time you're

2801
02:14:00,100 --> 02:13:58,130
looking to kind of take that next step

2802
02:14:03,250 --> 02:14:00,110
and really move up in your criminal

2803
02:14:05,740 --> 02:14:03,260
activity you're going to get two of them

2804
02:14:08,140 --> 02:14:05,750
on a site to go to the admins and vouch

2805
02:14:09,640 --> 02:14:08,150
for you and it's it's never one it's

2806
02:14:11,410 --> 02:14:09,650
always at least two that have to vouch

2807
02:14:13,359 --> 02:14:11,420
for you for the for the good forums

2808
02:14:15,970 --> 02:14:13,369
anyways for the good sites on the dark

2809
02:14:18,339 --> 02:14:15,980
web and I say good like in terms of

2810
02:14:20,950 --> 02:14:18,349
their quality for the criminals not that

2811
02:14:23,589 --> 02:14:20,960
they're doing good they are not uh-huh

2812
02:14:25,330 --> 02:14:23,599
but you know so you've got to have

2813
02:14:26,529 --> 02:14:25,340
vouchers and then you show up and

2814
02:14:28,600 --> 02:14:26,539
usually you're in some kind of a

2815
02:14:30,009 --> 02:14:28,610
restricted state to start where you

2816
02:14:31,509 --> 02:14:30,019
can't just show up on day one and start

2817
02:14:34,209 --> 02:14:31,519
like selling your wares you've got a you

2818
02:14:36,939 --> 02:14:34,219
know actually hang out talk to people

2819
02:14:38,439 --> 02:14:36,949
get a feel for things post a lot before

2820
02:14:40,720 --> 02:14:38,449
they really start allowing you to have

2821
02:14:46,149 --> 02:14:40,730
more features and and use more of the

2822
02:14:48,100 --> 02:14:46,159
stuff and how far does the vetting go

2823
02:14:52,240 --> 02:14:48,110
it's one thing to build relationships

2824
02:14:54,850 --> 02:14:52,250
and build your reputation but does does

2825
02:14:59,649 --> 02:14:54,860
it go beyond that do they look into your

2826
02:15:01,720 --> 02:14:59,659
background some do again it depends on

2827
02:15:05,529 --> 02:15:01,730
kind of the level there is a dark web

2828
02:15:08,859 --> 02:15:05,539
forum that is specifically for managing

2829
02:15:11,979 --> 02:15:08,869
the collections of stolen merchant

2830
02:15:13,779 --> 02:15:11,989
accounts which is what people use to of

2831
02:15:15,100 --> 02:15:13,789
course charge all the credit cards they

2832
02:15:17,649 --> 02:15:15,110
get in the big credit card dumps they

2833
02:15:21,430 --> 02:15:17,659
take like you know the giant TJX hack or

2834
02:15:25,000 --> 02:15:21,440
any of those on on the couple forums

2835
02:15:27,009 --> 02:15:25,010
that do that the vetting to get access

2836
02:15:28,479 --> 02:15:27,019
to that level of the game which is where

2837
02:15:31,779 --> 02:15:28,489
they're playing with you know the

2838
02:15:35,229 --> 02:15:31,789
millions and the billions that takes

2839
02:15:38,470 --> 02:15:35,239
real-world vetting that takes multiple

2840
02:15:40,660 --> 02:15:38,480
users vetting you that takes you proving

2841
02:15:44,080 --> 02:15:40,670
a big thing that you've done in the past

2842
02:15:46,689 --> 02:15:44,090
to them and showing up with what you

2843
02:15:48,069 --> 02:15:46,699
might refer to as a gift you know

2844
02:15:50,140 --> 02:15:48,079
something to give them that they don't

2845
02:15:52,479 --> 02:15:50,150
have yet that they could really use you

2846
02:15:54,220 --> 02:15:52,489
know I mean you've got to go through a

2847
02:15:55,990 --> 02:15:54,230
lot and then on those don't do a lot of

2848
02:15:57,450 --> 02:15:56,000
other things I mean though don't want to

2849
02:16:00,209 --> 02:15:57,460
know who you are the one who

2850
02:16:02,940 --> 02:16:00,219
do background checks they will verify

2851
02:16:05,340 --> 02:16:02,950
that you aren't it's almost like um you

2852
02:16:07,080 --> 02:16:05,350
know you can't have a judge that

2853
02:16:09,560 --> 02:16:07,090
currently is sitting well you're not

2854
02:16:12,390 --> 02:16:09,570
supposed to that has serious debt

2855
02:16:14,850 --> 02:16:12,400
outside of normal debt like a mortgage

2856
02:16:17,070 --> 02:16:14,860
and student loans are fine but if you've

2857
02:16:18,750 --> 02:16:17,080
got a sitting judge with gambling debt

2858
02:16:20,850 --> 02:16:18,760
even if it's a legal type of gambling or

2859
02:16:22,260 --> 02:16:20,860
something that's a problem and they

2860
02:16:25,080 --> 02:16:22,270
usually are supposed to be sidelined

2861
02:16:27,840 --> 02:16:25,090
until that's cleaned up right there are

2862
02:16:30,209 --> 02:16:27,850
certain cops in in in like the LA County

2863
02:16:32,850 --> 02:16:30,219
sheriff's actually watch their credit

2864
02:16:34,799 --> 02:16:32,860
ratings and if they drop a so a certain

2865
02:16:37,950 --> 02:16:34,809
level they actually do an internal

2866
02:16:39,480 --> 02:16:37,960
investigation to find out what exactly

2867
02:16:41,520 --> 02:16:39,490
is going on that this guy's having this

2868
02:16:45,600 --> 02:16:41,530
much financial trouble because financial

2869
02:16:47,549 --> 02:16:45,610
trouble is leverage and so they'll do

2870
02:16:50,009 --> 02:16:47,559
that level of checking before they'll

2871
02:16:54,060 --> 02:16:50,019
let people into the really deep parts

2872
02:16:57,419 --> 02:16:54,070
now the I'll make a confession right now

2873
02:17:00,540 --> 02:16:57,429
to everybody that is listening I have

2874
02:17:01,560 --> 02:17:00,550
never gone and checked out the dark web

2875
02:17:03,780 --> 02:17:01,570
okay

2876
02:17:06,600 --> 02:17:03,790
and now with all of my research and Greg

2877
02:17:09,410 --> 02:17:06,610
and I talking over the years and and all

2878
02:17:15,360 --> 02:17:09,420
of the information that I have collected

2879
02:17:18,480 --> 02:17:15,370
and and I know how to do I'm scared I'm

2880
02:17:21,060 --> 02:17:18,490
absolutely scared I don't want to go

2881
02:17:24,330 --> 02:17:21,070
right so I haven't done it but then

2882
02:17:28,500 --> 02:17:24,340
through that research Greg and I have

2883
02:17:32,700 --> 02:17:28,510
read many many times that the dark web

2884
02:17:36,890 --> 02:17:32,710
the tor browser and and everything that

2885
02:17:41,820 --> 02:17:36,900
was set up was was a government project

2886
02:17:45,000 --> 02:17:41,830
right that this was a way to to do

2887
02:17:47,640 --> 02:17:45,010
things more efficiently while the

2888
02:17:50,580 --> 02:17:47,650
regular WW was being set up and those

2889
02:17:54,570 --> 02:17:50,590
protocols were there but that was the

2890
02:17:56,669 --> 02:17:54,580
start of the dark web and can you

2891
02:18:02,190 --> 02:17:56,679
confirm this part of the urban myth

2892
02:18:06,089 --> 02:18:02,200
behind the dark web well okay sure

2893
02:18:08,759 --> 02:18:06,099
um so tour started out as a government

2894
02:18:10,620 --> 02:18:08,769
project the initial codebase something

2895
02:18:15,089 --> 02:18:10,630
you know that complicated started out

2896
02:18:18,480 --> 02:18:15,099
and it was basically given out his

2897
02:18:22,440 --> 02:18:18,490
open-source and a group of open-source

2898
02:18:24,690 --> 02:18:22,450
people kind of coalesced around it and

2899
02:18:28,620 --> 02:18:24,700
started building on top of it the

2900
02:18:30,629 --> 02:18:28,630
government stopped developing it and the

2901
02:18:32,759 --> 02:18:30,639
code base was gone over you know head to

2902
02:18:35,730 --> 02:18:32,769
toe every bit of it by the outside

2903
02:18:39,150 --> 02:18:35,740
engineers and it's at this point you

2904
02:18:40,589 --> 02:18:39,160
know years and years decades away from

2905
02:18:44,070 --> 02:18:40,599
you know any actual like government

2906
02:18:46,320 --> 02:18:44,080
input on it the the more interesting

2907
02:18:48,780 --> 02:18:46,330
side of things is not that it in itself

2908
02:18:51,450 --> 02:18:48,790
started that way but when you look at

2909
02:18:55,259 --> 02:18:51,460
things like tor and other systems like

2910
02:18:58,139 --> 02:18:55,269
that you you have to look at the

2911
02:19:00,299 --> 02:18:58,149
connections so like taurah does Onion

2912
02:19:01,889 --> 02:19:00,309
Routing which means you know it encrypts

2913
02:19:03,540 --> 02:19:01,899
and then sends to the next world which

2914
02:19:05,339 --> 02:19:03,550
encrypts and so on and so on and then at

2915
02:19:07,080 --> 02:19:05,349
the end of decrypt the layers and you

2916
02:19:09,150 --> 02:19:07,090
know the layers of the onion kind of

2917
02:19:11,790 --> 02:19:09,160
right mm-hm so it doesn't just go from

2918
02:19:14,160 --> 02:19:11,800
you to one server to the place you were

2919
02:19:16,070 --> 02:19:14,170
trying to go it goes from you to another

2920
02:19:18,660 --> 02:19:16,080
to another to another with the hope that

2921
02:19:20,490 --> 02:19:18,670
when it comes out the other end and goes

2922
02:19:22,290 --> 02:19:20,500
to whatever web server or whatever

2923
02:19:24,719 --> 02:19:22,300
communications channel you were trying

2924
02:19:27,330 --> 02:19:24,729
to talk to they can't tell which server

2925
02:19:32,040 --> 02:19:27,340
it entered on and thereby also tell who

2926
02:19:34,200 --> 02:19:32,050
you are right how many of those nodes

2927
02:19:37,709 --> 02:19:34,210
are run by people that we trust is

2928
02:19:38,969 --> 02:19:37,719
always my question and that's the one

2929
02:19:40,469 --> 02:19:38,979
that's been the hardest one to kind of

2930
02:19:43,020 --> 02:19:40,479
nail down because there there were some

2931
02:19:45,719 --> 02:19:43,030
periods in time where there were large

2932
02:19:48,209 --> 02:19:45,729
percentages of tor nodes in places where

2933
02:19:50,310 --> 02:19:48,219
you would expect there to be government

2934
02:19:53,340 --> 02:19:50,320
controlled servers and at a certain

2935
02:19:55,410 --> 02:19:53,350
point you know having that many nodes

2936
02:19:58,590 --> 02:19:55,420
leads to forms of attack that allow you

2937
02:19:59,790 --> 02:19:58,600
to ID which node they came in on and if

2938
02:20:01,980 --> 02:19:59,800
they came in on a node that you

2939
02:20:04,080 --> 02:20:01,990
controlled and you were able to ID it

2940
02:20:06,090 --> 02:20:04,090
was that node and where they were trying

2941
02:20:09,750 --> 02:20:06,100
to go then you know by that point you

2942
02:20:12,420 --> 02:20:09,760
can ID the person so that was always my

2943
02:20:16,440 --> 02:20:12,430
fear it doesn't look like they've

2944
02:20:19,350 --> 02:20:16,450
actually pulled that attack off yet in

2945
02:20:21,630 --> 02:20:19,360
any real way most of the attacks that

2946
02:20:23,760 --> 02:20:21,640
look like they have happened while

2947
02:20:24,520 --> 02:20:23,770
someone was also using tor were usually

2948
02:20:27,360 --> 02:20:24,530
down to that you

2949
02:20:31,150 --> 02:20:27,370
our making a hundred other mistakes like

2950
02:20:33,520 --> 02:20:31,160
you know when I go to visit a website on

2951
02:20:36,011 --> 02:20:33,530
my computer I type in letters I don't

2952
02:20:37,360 --> 02:20:36,021
type in numbers but those letters have

2953
02:20:39,461 --> 02:20:37,370
to be turned into numbers for my

2954
02:20:44,051 --> 02:20:39,471
computer to get there right mm-hmm let's

2955
02:20:48,280 --> 02:20:44,061
say I'm on the dark web and my web

2956
02:20:50,820 --> 02:20:48,290
browser isn't routing those requests to

2957
02:20:53,620 --> 02:20:50,830
turn that domain name into an IP address

2958
02:20:55,270 --> 02:20:53,630
into the numbers through the dark web

2959
02:20:58,480 --> 02:20:55,280
it's looking at them in the plaintext

2960
02:21:00,251 --> 02:20:58,490
web right um then what you've done is

2961
02:21:02,980 --> 02:21:00,261
you've leaked a little bit of data there

2962
02:21:04,480 --> 02:21:02,990
while all of your transaction stuff is

2963
02:21:06,131 --> 02:21:04,490
going to happen over the dark web you're

2964
02:21:08,171 --> 02:21:06,141
going to connect to the website load the

2965
02:21:10,720 --> 02:21:08,181
website and all that fun stuff over the

2966
02:21:12,400 --> 02:21:10,730
dark web your request to get an address

2967
02:21:14,950 --> 02:21:12,410
out of a domain name might have gone

2968
02:21:17,381 --> 02:21:14,960
over the plain text web and at that

2969
02:21:21,220 --> 02:21:17,391
point you know you've made the mistake

2970
02:21:23,110 --> 02:21:21,230
of requesting something from a server

2971
02:21:25,450 --> 02:21:23,120
that could easily be compromised like if

2972
02:21:28,540 --> 02:21:25,460
you look at a couple of the drug markets

2973
02:21:32,921 --> 02:21:28,550
that were online on the dark web that

2974
02:21:35,381 --> 02:21:32,931
users got caught on the feds took over

2975
02:21:38,290 --> 02:21:35,391
the server after busting the person

2976
02:21:40,440 --> 02:21:38,300
running them right and and then they

2977
02:21:42,310 --> 02:21:40,450
would put a piece of code on the server

2978
02:21:44,950 --> 02:21:42,320
letting it still run letting people

2979
02:21:46,780 --> 02:21:44,960
still buy and sell and everything but

2980
02:21:49,870 --> 02:21:46,790
there was a piece of code that would ask

2981
02:21:52,030 --> 02:21:49,880
your browser to grab a file from a web

2982
02:21:53,890 --> 02:21:52,040
server now that's every website does

2983
02:21:55,450 --> 02:21:53,900
this and every website has extra code

2984
02:21:57,251 --> 02:21:55,460
like when you're looking at Twitter and

2985
02:21:59,381 --> 02:21:57,261
you're you're following Jimmy here and

2986
02:22:00,580 --> 02:21:59,391
it reloads the screen you know right in

2987
02:22:02,440 --> 02:22:00,590
front of you without you clicking the

2988
02:22:04,450 --> 02:22:02,450
reload button that's because javascript

2989
02:22:06,251 --> 02:22:04,460
in the background requested new data

2990
02:22:08,560 --> 02:22:06,261
from the server right so they they would

2991
02:22:11,171 --> 02:22:08,570
include a piece of code like that on the

2992
02:22:12,790 --> 02:22:11,181
dark market on the drug market and then

2993
02:22:14,650 --> 02:22:12,800
the user who thinks he's doing

2994
02:22:16,211 --> 02:22:14,660
everything over the dark web suddenly

2995
02:22:19,180 --> 02:22:16,221
his web browser goes and makes a request

2996
02:22:21,820 --> 02:22:19,190
over on the plain text web and they got

2997
02:22:23,620 --> 02:22:21,830
you they know you were on that site they

2998
02:22:25,570 --> 02:22:23,630
know exactly which ii that request was

2999
02:22:27,761 --> 02:22:25,580
made and they know which user logged in

3000
02:22:28,870 --> 02:22:27,771
at that exact second to and now since

3001
02:22:30,220 --> 02:22:28,880
they're controlling that server right

3002
02:22:31,600 --> 02:22:30,230
now they have its transaction history

3003
02:22:35,381 --> 02:22:31,610
they know what drugs you've bought or

3004
02:22:38,020 --> 02:22:35,391
sold and boom you're arrested so you

3005
02:22:41,440 --> 02:22:38,030
know when you go through these types of

3006
02:22:43,751 --> 02:22:41,450
systems you've got to not just use tor

3007
02:22:45,730 --> 02:22:43,761
you've got to use tor and an even more

3008
02:22:48,251 --> 02:22:45,740
secure environment than you're used to

3009
02:22:50,290 --> 02:22:48,261
so you want to not just run tor browser

3010
02:22:52,120 --> 02:22:50,300
on your normal computer where you do

3011
02:22:55,450 --> 02:22:52,130
your normal everyday stuff you want to

3012
02:22:58,600 --> 02:22:55,460
boot into a computer into an operating

3013
02:23:01,120 --> 02:22:58,610
system that was built to secure your tor

3014
02:23:03,251 --> 02:23:01,130
connections and only do things like DNS

3015
02:23:05,051 --> 02:23:03,261
or requests or anything through tor and

3016
02:23:09,220 --> 02:23:05,061
make sure that no script can make a

3017
02:23:11,440 --> 02:23:09,230
break out of that sandbox so there's

3018
02:23:13,540 --> 02:23:11,450
tales which is kind of the the most

3019
02:23:14,921 --> 02:23:13,550
widely used one that you can just

3020
02:23:17,350 --> 02:23:14,931
download and run off a flash drive and

3021
02:23:18,820 --> 02:23:17,360
boot into it and when you're using tor

3022
02:23:21,100 --> 02:23:18,830
browser and something like that that

3023
02:23:25,120 --> 02:23:21,110
info doesn't leak and they don't get you

3024
02:23:29,671 --> 02:23:25,130
that way now if that if if that request

3025
02:23:32,051 --> 02:23:29,681
happened right and you're back into

3026
02:23:33,520 --> 02:23:32,061
going in the opposite direction you're

3027
02:23:36,400 --> 02:23:33,530
going off of the dark web you're going

3028
02:23:42,131 --> 02:23:36,410
out of the tour but back into the

3029
02:23:43,540 --> 02:23:42,141
surface net right how easy is it well

3030
02:23:45,640 --> 02:23:43,550
obviously they're gonna have an IP

3031
02:23:48,881 --> 02:23:45,650
address at that point they may know

3032
02:23:51,011 --> 02:23:48,891
exactly where you're sitting and you

3033
02:23:53,830 --> 02:23:51,021
know your street and and your town and

3034
02:23:55,870 --> 02:23:53,840
so forth if you're using a VPN at that

3035
02:23:58,450 --> 02:23:55,880
point with that request that is

3036
02:24:03,070 --> 02:23:58,460
happening does that protect you from a

3037
02:24:06,790 --> 02:24:03,080
hard I B again it depends on you know

3038
02:24:10,961 --> 02:24:06,800
what data is available to them when they

3039
02:24:14,080 --> 02:24:10,971
make that request so if if you paid for

3040
02:24:16,120 --> 02:24:14,090
that VPN service with your own credit

3041
02:24:17,770 --> 02:24:16,130
card and that company is an American

3042
02:24:20,320 --> 02:24:17,780
company then they're going to see your

3043
02:24:21,551 --> 02:24:20,330
IP address as that VPN realize they're

3044
02:24:23,830 --> 02:24:21,561
getting no more data at that point

3045
02:24:26,230 --> 02:24:23,840
called the VPN company and say do we

3046
02:24:27,850 --> 02:24:26,240
have to get a warrant or not the VPN

3047
02:24:29,290 --> 02:24:27,860
company if it's an American company is

3048
02:24:33,040 --> 02:24:29,300
gonna say go get the warrant but then

3049
02:24:34,480 --> 02:24:33,050
we'll have the data ready for you so if

3050
02:24:38,830 --> 02:24:34,490
it's a foreign company then it really

3051
02:24:41,711 --> 02:24:38,840
depends on which one you are which one

3052
02:24:44,801 --> 02:24:41,721
you're using so like for me I like to

3053
02:24:47,220 --> 02:24:44,811
use one that I know isn't going to give

3054
02:24:50,020 --> 02:24:47,230
up the information because they're in a

3055
02:24:51,599 --> 02:24:50,030
country that doesn't make them save the

3056
02:24:56,040 --> 02:24:51,609
information if they don't want it

3057
02:24:58,019 --> 02:24:56,050
so perfect - privacy calm of which I

3058
02:25:00,029 --> 02:24:58,029
have no deals with I just literally love

3059
02:25:01,889 --> 02:25:00,039
them because their service they do not

3060
02:25:03,599 --> 02:25:01,899
log any of that information so when the

3061
02:25:05,729 --> 02:25:03,609
law comes asking them a question they

3062
02:25:09,059 --> 02:25:05,739
physically can't give it to them it does

3063
02:25:10,649 --> 02:25:09,069
not exist anywhere so it really depends

3064
02:25:12,420 --> 02:25:10,659
at that point which VPN provider you're

3065
02:25:16,260 --> 02:25:12,430
using and which country they're located

3066
02:25:18,300 --> 02:25:16,270
in now tell me before we say goodnight

3067
02:25:20,219 --> 02:25:18,310
and we could certainly continue this

3068
02:25:26,449 --> 02:25:20,229
conversation if you want to when going

3069
02:25:31,409 --> 02:25:26,459
over time but for for most in your world

3070
02:25:34,769 --> 02:25:31,419
you guys are all using encrypt encrypted

3071
02:25:36,989 --> 02:25:34,779
text your phone service you know this is

3072
02:25:40,649 --> 02:25:36,999
just what you guys do and I understand

3073
02:25:43,559 --> 02:25:40,659
that and in fact people yeah it is it's

3074
02:25:47,369 --> 02:25:43,569
true and me texting anybody in this

3075
02:25:49,439 --> 02:25:47,379
community I always it's it's difficult

3076
02:25:54,869 --> 02:25:49,449
because I don't I don't use encrypted

3077
02:25:56,939 --> 02:25:54,879
text services it is is do you you don't

3078
02:25:59,969 --> 02:25:56,949
just turn on a computer and are signed

3079
02:26:05,099 --> 02:25:59,979
in to Chrome and and going at life each

3080
02:26:06,059 --> 02:26:05,109
day that's not how you run is it no not

3081
02:26:10,199 --> 02:26:06,069
exactly

3082
02:26:13,109 --> 02:26:10,209
but it also depends on my needs

3083
02:26:15,029 --> 02:26:13,119
you know I will definitely just boot the

3084
02:26:17,130 --> 02:26:15,039
Machine and hop right into my web

3085
02:26:19,649 --> 02:26:17,140
browser my normal one if I'm literally

3086
02:26:21,239 --> 02:26:19,659
just gonna go read an article on a news

3087
02:26:23,969 --> 02:26:21,249
site or something like that I don't have

3088
02:26:27,409 --> 02:26:23,979
any specific plans but you know if I

3089
02:26:29,939 --> 02:26:27,419
even think I might stray from that into

3090
02:26:32,250 --> 02:26:29,949
things that I don't want tracked even

3091
02:26:35,969 --> 02:26:32,260
lightly just from personal privacy

3092
02:26:38,540 --> 02:26:35,979
reasons then I'm gonna boot onto one of

3093
02:26:40,830 --> 02:26:38,550
20 different flash drives I have

3094
02:26:42,330 --> 02:26:40,840
depending on just how strong the needs

3095
02:26:45,179 --> 02:26:42,340
are and you know if the needs are really

3096
02:26:47,760 --> 02:26:45,189
strong and and this is something that I

3097
02:26:50,069 --> 02:26:47,770
could never ever have tracked back to me

3098
02:26:52,769 --> 02:26:50,079
then it isn't happening from my house or

3099
02:26:54,330 --> 02:26:52,779
a computer that I own that's mine what

3100
02:26:56,849 --> 02:26:54,340
is happening somewhere else out in the

3101
02:26:59,130 --> 02:26:56,859
world right this is a yeah everybody is

3102
02:27:01,441 --> 02:26:59,140
yelling for overtime so there you go

3103
02:27:04,261 --> 02:27:01,451
Greg you're not going anywhere

3104
02:27:04,861 --> 02:27:04,271
I don't need to sleep sleep is for

3105
02:27:06,811 --> 02:27:04,871
sissies

3106
02:27:09,091 --> 02:27:06,821
remember I'm all the way out in Boston

3107
02:27:10,921 --> 02:27:09,101
here so for him it's three hours earlier

3108
02:27:12,781 --> 02:27:10,931
for me it's 12:30 at night

3109
02:27:15,421 --> 02:27:12,791
yeah but Boston is shut down right now

3110
02:27:16,371 --> 02:27:15,431
so you guys have you guys have nothing

3111
02:27:22,201 --> 02:27:16,381
but time

3112
02:27:27,571 --> 02:27:22,211
exactly explain to me again when you say

3113
02:27:31,141 --> 02:27:27,581
I would just boot onto one of 20 USB

3114
02:27:37,051 --> 02:27:31,151
drives explain to me that process like

3115
02:27:39,571 --> 02:27:37,061
I'm two years old you know well we'll

3116
02:27:44,101 --> 02:27:39,581
take you know like tails as an example

3117
02:27:46,741 --> 02:27:44,111
um tails is kind of the default for

3118
02:27:48,811 --> 02:27:46,751
anyone wanting to play with with tor in

3119
02:27:51,631 --> 02:27:48,821
a slightly more secure environment

3120
02:27:55,831 --> 02:27:51,641
um there are others there's who Nix

3121
02:27:58,051 --> 02:27:55,841
which is WH o ni X there's cubes which

3122
02:28:00,151 --> 02:27:58,061
is q.u.b.e s so there's there's a bunch

3123
02:28:02,941 --> 02:28:00,161
of these right and depending on how

3124
02:28:05,551 --> 02:28:02,951
secure I need to be you know I go down

3125
02:28:06,991 --> 02:28:05,561
that chain right so Torres for when I

3126
02:28:12,001 --> 02:28:07,001
really just want to protect my privacy

3127
02:28:13,771 --> 02:28:12,011
when I'm using tails hoon X is when well

3128
02:28:15,691 --> 02:28:13,781
I might be using the dark web to go

3129
02:28:17,401 --> 02:28:15,701
research some things but I just don't

3130
02:28:19,761 --> 02:28:17,411
want it to be in my history because I

3131
02:28:24,541 --> 02:28:19,771
just don't need that kind of heat and

3132
02:28:27,991 --> 02:28:24,551
cubes is for when well let's just not

3133
02:28:31,111 --> 02:28:28,001
talk about it right and so I'm holding

3134
02:28:33,571 --> 02:28:31,121
up you know just a USB Drive to the

3135
02:28:37,651 --> 02:28:33,581
camera so you're saying that tails

3136
02:28:39,241 --> 02:28:37,661
resides on the USB Drive yep right and

3137
02:28:41,101 --> 02:28:39,251
depending on what type of computer

3138
02:28:44,131 --> 02:28:41,111
you're on you know you stick it in and

3139
02:28:45,720 --> 02:28:44,141
you just any old thing and you know

3140
02:28:47,071 --> 02:28:45,730
again depending on what computer you're

3141
02:28:50,401 --> 02:28:47,081
on you press a different key during

3142
02:28:52,171 --> 02:28:50,411
boots to make it boot off of it on the

3143
02:28:53,821 --> 02:28:52,181
Mac you can just hold down option while

3144
02:28:55,861 --> 02:28:53,831
it's turning on and you hear the beep

3145
02:28:57,481 --> 02:28:55,871
and it'll pop up a little thing that'll

3146
02:28:58,921 --> 02:28:57,491
show your normal Mac hard drive and

3147
02:29:03,121 --> 02:28:58,931
it'll now show the flash drive and you

3148
02:29:04,861 --> 02:29:03,131
can select it instead on windows you

3149
02:29:06,571 --> 02:29:04,871
know depending on what you know boot

3150
02:29:10,351 --> 02:29:06,581
options key your machine has a lot of

3151
02:29:11,701 --> 02:29:10,361
times it's f9 or f12 you'll just hit

3152
02:29:12,540 --> 02:29:11,711
that while the computer is coming on

3153
02:29:14,461 --> 02:29:12,550
it'll pop up

3154
02:29:16,080 --> 02:29:14,471
would you like to boot into your windows

3155
02:29:18,360 --> 02:29:16,090
or do you want to boot off a CD or a

3156
02:29:21,421 --> 02:29:18,370
flash drive click the flash drive

3157
02:29:23,070 --> 02:29:21,431
you know fascinating absolutely

3158
02:29:25,530 --> 02:29:23,080
mind-blowing let's take our break right

3159
02:29:27,900 --> 02:29:25,540
here we'll head into some overtime Gregg

3160
02:29:30,450 --> 02:29:27,910
Housh is our guest this is fade to black

3161
02:29:32,640 --> 02:29:30,460
I am your host Jimmy Church this entire

3162
02:29:35,400 --> 02:29:32,650
conversation tonight has been rolling

3163
02:29:38,341 --> 02:29:35,410
around the recent hacking of a New York

3164
02:29:41,430 --> 02:29:38,351
law firm with the resources and the

3165
02:29:43,470 --> 02:29:41,440
malware are evil they stole secret files

3166
02:29:45,660 --> 02:29:43,480
are demanding a ransom of 42 million

3167
02:29:47,881 --> 02:29:45,670
dollars how this stuff gets done how the

3168
02:29:50,310 --> 02:29:47,891
money gets washed what the transactions

3169
02:29:52,470 --> 02:29:50,320
are and how it gets done or everything

3170
02:29:54,390 --> 02:29:52,480
we are talking about tonight we'll be

3171
02:30:00,020 --> 02:29:54,400
right back north Gregg Housh in overtime

3172
02:30:13,939 --> 02:30:10,719
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3173
02:30:19,340 --> 02:30:13,949
and you are listening to my boy Jimmy

3174
02:30:22,579 --> 02:30:19,350
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3175
02:30:30,500 --> 02:30:22,589
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3176
02:30:33,109 --> 02:30:30,510
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3177
02:30:36,229 --> 02:30:33,119
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3178
02:30:39,260 --> 02:30:36,239
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3179
02:30:44,840 --> 02:30:39,270
do click on their banner ad Jimmy Church

3180
02:30:47,119 --> 02:30:44,850
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3181
02:30:49,670 --> 02:30:47,129
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3182
02:30:52,069 --> 02:30:49,680
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3183
02:30:52,369 --> 02:30:52,079
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3184
02:30:55,989 --> 02:30:52,379
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3185
02:30:58,969 --> 02:30:55,999
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3240
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3241
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3242
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3245
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3247
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3248
02:34:11,290 --> 02:34:07,470
conversation tonight with Greg house

3249
02:34:15,800 --> 02:34:11,300
Greg I've learned so much and so many

3250
02:34:18,050 --> 02:34:15,810
comments from our audience in Twitter

3251
02:34:20,690 --> 02:34:18,060
tonight now I'm watching man we've got a

3252
02:34:23,479 --> 02:34:20,700
lot of hackers man we got a lot this

3253
02:34:27,200 --> 02:34:23,489
whole tails thing and booting off of a

3254
02:34:29,059 --> 02:34:27,210
flash drive and things man I didn't know

3255
02:34:30,710 --> 02:34:29,069
anything about this and everybody here

3256
02:34:33,710 --> 02:34:30,720
was talking about different ways to do

3257
02:34:36,800 --> 02:34:33,720
it and I just feel like I'm a little

3258
02:34:38,240 --> 02:34:36,810
late to the party and this this is

3259
02:34:46,190 --> 02:34:38,250
something that's been going on for how

3260
02:34:48,679 --> 02:34:46,200
long I mean decades just now you know

3261
02:34:52,700 --> 02:34:48,689
I'm just now finding out about this it's

3262
02:34:54,979 --> 02:34:52,710
like the tales is only like 11 years old

3263
02:34:58,969 --> 02:34:54,989
but there were other systems before it

3264
02:35:03,440 --> 02:34:58,979
now going back yeah going back to the

3265
02:35:07,479 --> 02:35:03,450
dark web and and these criminal hackers

3266
02:35:12,740 --> 02:35:07,489
and and organizations that are there

3267
02:35:14,929 --> 02:35:12,750
they are assuming that they know how to

3268
02:35:18,760 --> 02:35:14,939
navigate the dark web and they know

3269
02:35:21,280 --> 02:35:18,770
what's going on but certainly

3270
02:35:26,389 --> 02:35:21,290
governments and state actors out there

3271
02:35:29,719 --> 02:35:26,399
understand this too and they are they

3272
02:35:32,330 --> 02:35:29,729
have storefronts and informs and things

3273
02:35:34,460 --> 02:35:32,340
that are out there to attract those

3274
02:35:39,800 --> 02:35:34,470
criminals to write you just don't know

3275
02:35:43,700 --> 02:35:39,810
what is safe I mean yeah but the bigger

3276
02:35:45,769 --> 02:35:43,710
issue there is that you have to deal

3277
02:35:47,360 --> 02:35:45,779
with especially on the dark web the

3278
02:35:49,309 --> 02:35:47,370
hosting right and you have to deal with

3279
02:35:52,490 --> 02:35:49,319
the money you know there's got to be

3280
02:35:54,019 --> 02:35:52,500
both and those are always the vectors

3281
02:35:56,360 --> 02:35:54,029
that they find you at they find out

3282
02:35:57,889 --> 02:35:56,370
where your servers are or they find

3283
02:35:59,060 --> 02:35:57,899
someone doing something a little crazy

3284
02:36:01,160 --> 02:35:59,070
with money and after my

3285
02:36:03,261 --> 02:36:01,170
and tracking and all that fun stuff they

3286
02:36:04,520 --> 02:36:03,271
they end up catching you messing up and

3287
02:36:06,860 --> 02:36:04,530
find out that you're the guy running

3288
02:36:10,870 --> 02:36:06,870
that website what the government has

3289
02:36:13,551 --> 02:36:10,880
done for the last like five six years is

3290
02:36:15,680 --> 02:36:13,561
keep the websites running even if

3291
02:36:17,270 --> 02:36:15,690
they're doing highly illegal stuff they

3292
02:36:18,890 --> 02:36:17,280
did this with a child pornography

3293
02:36:21,381 --> 02:36:18,900
website left it running left tons of

3294
02:36:23,301 --> 02:36:21,391
kids getting exploited so they could

3295
02:36:25,220 --> 02:36:23,311
catch every one they left there running

3296
02:36:28,520 --> 02:36:25,230
for months and it led to this giant

3297
02:36:30,980 --> 02:36:28,530
argument about was catching that many

3298
02:36:32,480 --> 02:36:30,990
people more important than the few

3299
02:36:35,810 --> 02:36:32,490
months of saving the kids you could have

3300
02:36:38,990 --> 02:36:35,820
done and it was a tough argument and

3301
02:36:40,370 --> 02:36:39,000
people fell on both sides but in the end

3302
02:36:43,011 --> 02:36:40,380
I mean what the government's plan of

3303
02:36:45,200 --> 02:36:43,021
action is is attack the sources we can

3304
02:36:46,910 --> 02:36:45,210
attack and finding the hosting is a

3305
02:36:48,890 --> 02:36:46,920
little easier than it should be for a

3306
02:36:50,961 --> 02:36:48,900
lot of these people cos most of them

3307
02:36:52,520 --> 02:36:50,971
going to this not being super security

3308
02:36:55,011 --> 02:36:52,530
conscious before they start something on

3309
02:36:56,541 --> 02:36:55,021
the dark web it's not as hard as it

3310
02:36:58,400 --> 02:36:56,551
sounds once you start looking into it

3311
02:37:00,470 --> 02:36:58,410
and so people get into it that aren't

3312
02:37:01,520 --> 02:37:00,480
prepared and then they'll attack the

3313
02:37:03,711 --> 02:37:01,530
money which is what they've always done

3314
02:37:06,230 --> 02:37:03,721
I mean look at Al Capone right they got

3315
02:37:07,280 --> 02:37:06,240
him through his taxes they go after the

3316
02:37:08,660 --> 02:37:07,290
money once they've done that and they've

3317
02:37:11,211 --> 02:37:08,670
got control of a site then they're going

3318
02:37:12,740 --> 02:37:11,221
to leave it running and even expanded

3319
02:37:14,421 --> 02:37:12,750
though add features just to make you

3320
02:37:17,631 --> 02:37:14,431
think that the old people are still

3321
02:37:19,160 --> 02:37:17,641
running it code on your machine because

3322
02:37:21,230 --> 02:37:19,170
you're visiting it happily in your

3323
02:37:23,060 --> 02:37:21,240
saying yes to any request it makes of

3324
02:37:25,580 --> 02:37:23,070
course because you think you're safer on

3325
02:37:29,570 --> 02:37:25,590
the dark web or you know whatever and

3326
02:37:35,570 --> 02:37:29,580
then yeah and and explain to me how this

3327
02:37:39,620 --> 02:37:35,580
works in that Amazon is probably the

3328
02:37:41,780 --> 02:37:39,630
largest provider of Internet services in

3329
02:37:46,700 --> 02:37:41,790
the world not only do they sell products

3330
02:37:48,730 --> 02:37:46,710
but information is is their bread and

3331
02:37:52,700 --> 02:37:48,740
butter that's what's keeping Amazon

3332
02:37:54,711 --> 02:37:52,710
running is their information services

3333
02:37:57,461 --> 02:37:54,721
and their server forms there are other

3334
02:38:01,370 --> 02:37:57,471
large ones around the world certainly

3335
02:38:04,850 --> 02:38:01,380
but the servers that are running the

3336
02:38:08,091 --> 02:38:04,860
dark web are some of those part of

3337
02:38:09,921 --> 02:38:08,101
Amazon's network or Google's network or

3338
02:38:11,349 --> 02:38:09,931
you know these are the lawyers really a

3339
02:38:13,029 --> 02:38:11,359
lot of times you know the

3340
02:38:14,889 --> 02:38:13,039
terms of services and other things

3341
02:38:17,409 --> 02:38:14,899
blocking that kind of traffic from

3342
02:38:19,119 --> 02:38:17,419
running on their servers a lot of times

3343
02:38:22,000 --> 02:38:19,129
there's the smaller hosting

3344
02:38:24,040 --> 02:38:22,010
infrastructures or other you know

3345
02:38:26,500 --> 02:38:24,050
external data centers which are kind of

3346
02:38:28,059 --> 02:38:26,510
almost a dying breed at this point you

3347
02:38:31,090 --> 02:38:28,069
know when you wanted to put up a server

3348
02:38:32,949 --> 02:38:31,100
in the early 90s you know your only

3349
02:38:34,899 --> 02:38:32,959
choice was something called colocation

3350
02:38:37,510 --> 02:38:34,909
where you'd go to one of the big data

3351
02:38:38,739 --> 02:38:37,520
centers that had everyone's servers even

3352
02:38:40,029 --> 02:38:38,749
in the beginning like you know Facebook

3353
02:38:41,769 --> 02:38:40,039
had servers sitting in one of these

3354
02:38:43,179 --> 02:38:41,779
right mm-hmm and you'd bring your

3355
02:38:44,739 --> 02:38:43,189
hardware and walk right in and they'd

3356
02:38:47,080 --> 02:38:44,749
say here's the rack you put it in and

3357
02:38:48,819 --> 02:38:47,090
you'd get a key to the front door and a

3358
02:38:50,409 --> 02:38:48,829
key to the rack that your servers on and

3359
02:38:52,960 --> 02:38:50,419
you could walk when when I had mine

3360
02:38:54,460 --> 02:38:52,970
there I used to walk by Comcast and RCN

3361
02:38:55,659 --> 02:38:54,470
servers that I could literally reach

3362
02:38:57,609 --> 02:38:55,669
over and touch all the buttons on if I

3363
02:38:59,349 --> 02:38:57,619
felt like right roam and everyone was

3364
02:39:00,760 --> 02:38:59,359
just co-located in these big facilities

3365
02:39:02,529 --> 02:39:00,770
because they had the power the internet

3366
02:39:06,399 --> 02:39:02,539
the air-conditioning and all the other

3367
02:39:08,109 --> 02:39:06,409
stuff you needed and and those types of

3368
02:39:09,939 --> 02:39:08,119
places are kind of a dying breed because

3369
02:39:13,389 --> 02:39:09,949
you have these giant companies like

3370
02:39:16,569 --> 02:39:13,399
Amazon with AWS and Microsoft with Azure

3371
02:39:18,069 --> 02:39:16,579
and IBM have a cloud now you know

3372
02:39:20,399 --> 02:39:18,079
everyone's got a cloud at Google with

3373
02:39:23,859 --> 02:39:20,409
their GCP their Google compute cloud and

3374
02:39:26,739 --> 02:39:23,869
and you can just you know rent time on

3375
02:39:28,540 --> 02:39:26,749
servers from them and so you no longer

3376
02:39:29,920 --> 02:39:28,550
have to go into data centers and manage

3377
02:39:31,960 --> 02:39:29,930
your own Hardware and deal with your own

3378
02:39:33,639 --> 02:39:31,970
hardware failure anymore and you know

3379
02:39:35,949 --> 02:39:33,649
depending on your use case it's it's

3380
02:39:38,409 --> 02:39:35,959
good or it's bad but because of their

3381
02:39:39,880 --> 02:39:38,419
actions there are far fewer places for

3382
02:39:43,359 --> 02:39:39,890
you to co-locate your own servers out

3383
02:39:45,760 --> 02:39:43,369
anymore and that means there's far less

3384
02:39:47,590 --> 02:39:45,770
places for people to put their dark web

3385
02:39:49,029 --> 02:39:47,600
stuff um but like when you're thinking

3386
02:39:51,010 --> 02:39:49,039
about just tor or anything like that

3387
02:39:53,590 --> 02:39:51,020
there are a surprising number of those

3388
02:39:55,630 --> 02:39:53,600
nodes at like universities because the

3389
02:39:57,250 --> 02:39:55,640
universities will have college students

3390
02:39:59,710 --> 02:39:57,260
in their various courses being

3391
02:40:02,790 --> 02:39:59,720
programming or cryptography related

3392
02:40:05,469 --> 02:40:02,800
classes you know all on the CS courses

3393
02:40:07,750 --> 02:40:05,479
that are working on torez part of kind

3394
02:40:09,429 --> 02:40:07,760
of you know be it their final project or

3395
02:40:13,269 --> 02:40:09,439
just part of something the school is

3396
02:40:16,840 --> 02:40:13,279
actually a piece of so the dark web and

3397
02:40:19,010 --> 02:40:16,850
I remember reading the data on this

3398
02:40:22,910 --> 02:40:19,020
where you have

3399
02:40:25,309 --> 02:40:22,920
surface web and and I you know I would

3400
02:40:28,689 --> 02:40:25,319
read these data numbers but the things

3401
02:40:33,649 --> 02:40:28,699
that are underneath that are ginormous

3402
02:40:36,500 --> 02:40:33,659
numbers dwarfed what we actually know in

3403
02:40:40,729 --> 02:40:36,510
the amount of web pages that are out

3404
02:40:42,800 --> 02:40:40,739
there and websites of us normal users

3405
02:40:45,349 --> 02:40:42,810
and what is actually underneath that

3406
02:40:49,279 --> 02:40:45,359
it's a two different sets of numbers

3407
02:40:52,069 --> 02:40:49,289
where are all of these servers located

3408
02:40:56,029 --> 02:40:52,079
that are storing all of this data in the

3409
02:40:58,399 --> 02:40:56,039
dark web in those types of colocation

3410
02:41:01,399 --> 02:40:58,409
facilities normally dark web sites

3411
02:41:04,729 --> 02:41:01,409
aren't heavy trafficked so they don't

3412
02:41:07,880 --> 02:41:04,739
need a lot of hardware so you know large

3413
02:41:11,120 --> 02:41:07,890
dark web sites run on still individual

3414
02:41:13,670 --> 02:41:11,130
servers unlike you know a large you know

3415
02:41:14,990 --> 02:41:13,680
surface web site might need multiple

3416
02:41:16,609 --> 02:41:15,000
servers to be running might even need

3417
02:41:19,460 --> 02:41:16,619
multiple data centers to themselves to

3418
02:41:22,910 --> 02:41:19,470
be running most sites on the dark web

3419
02:41:25,160 --> 02:41:22,920
are small enough that one piece one

3420
02:41:27,080 --> 02:41:25,170
small piece of one server will work so

3421
02:41:31,399 --> 02:41:27,090
you can fit hundreds of these sites on a

3422
02:41:34,479 --> 02:41:31,409
server and so there are there are groups

3423
02:41:37,639 --> 02:41:34,489
there was one called freedom hosting and

3424
02:41:40,580 --> 02:41:37,649
freedom hosting was kind of what you

3425
02:41:42,019 --> 02:41:40,590
would expect out of the name anything

3426
02:41:43,519 --> 02:41:42,029
and everything goes I'm not looking at

3427
02:41:48,380 --> 02:41:43,529
your servers and don't tell me what's on

3428
02:41:51,139 --> 02:41:48,390
them was their policy and a group of

3429
02:41:53,120 --> 02:41:51,149
hackers actually got really angry at the

3430
02:41:54,979 --> 02:41:53,130
fact that you know because freedom

3431
02:41:57,260 --> 02:41:54,989
hosting had that as their way there were

3432
02:41:59,090 --> 02:41:57,270
everything from some terrorist websites

3433
02:42:00,740 --> 02:41:59,100
that were you know actually plotting you

3434
02:42:02,300 --> 02:42:00,750
know different attacks through sites

3435
02:42:05,000 --> 02:42:02,310
that were obviously hosted on freedom

3436
02:42:07,840 --> 02:42:05,010
hosting to some actual child pornography

3437
02:42:11,300 --> 02:42:07,850
sites got on to their their network and

3438
02:42:14,349 --> 02:42:11,310
they got hacked and everything deleted

3439
02:42:16,130 --> 02:42:14,359
by a group of hackers at one point but

3440
02:42:18,260 --> 02:42:16,140
accidentally the hackers didn't even

3441
02:42:21,500 --> 02:42:18,270
mean to do this it exposed enough

3442
02:42:23,569 --> 02:42:21,510
information about the hosting of it that

3443
02:42:26,380 --> 02:42:23,579
the feds actually went in and caught

3444
02:42:28,639 --> 02:42:26,390
that one freedom hosting two came up and

3445
02:42:32,240 --> 02:42:28,649
basically the exact same scenario again

3446
02:42:33,830 --> 02:42:32,250
so you know it is tough to be one of the

3447
02:42:35,599 --> 02:42:33,840
guys trying to maintain those types of

3448
02:42:37,160 --> 02:42:35,609
servers but if you wanted to put a

3449
02:42:38,889 --> 02:42:37,170
website up on the dark web you you can

3450
02:42:41,899 --> 02:42:38,899
host one at home I mean you set up a

3451
02:42:43,519 --> 02:42:41,909
tour belay at home and and then you know

3452
02:42:45,050 --> 02:42:43,529
you you can get an address that just

3453
02:42:49,250 --> 02:42:45,060
points right at your home computer and

3454
02:42:55,130 --> 02:42:49,260
run one at home now we've also heard a

3455
02:42:56,899 --> 02:42:55,140
lot about these different web farms and

3456
02:42:58,910 --> 02:42:56,909
server farms that are out in the middle

3457
02:43:00,950 --> 02:42:58,920
of the ocean right that are in these

3458
02:43:04,010 --> 02:43:00,960
remote locations Iceland and Greenland

3459
02:43:08,630 --> 02:43:04,020
and there's probably one in Antarctica

3460
02:43:10,519 --> 02:43:08,640
by now how much of this is real I mean

3461
02:43:12,019 --> 02:43:10,529
there are there aren't any in Antarctica

3462
02:43:13,910 --> 02:43:12,029
that I know of that aren't just actual

3463
02:43:17,559 --> 02:43:13,920
government research places but Iceland

3464
02:43:21,439 --> 02:43:17,569
has has a big set of data centers on it

3465
02:43:23,240 --> 02:43:21,449
because the energy and the air

3466
02:43:24,319 --> 02:43:23,250
conditioning both happened to be really

3467
02:43:27,979 --> 02:43:24,329
cheap there because you get the

3468
02:43:29,960 --> 02:43:27,989
geothermal providing power and then you

3469
02:43:31,880 --> 02:43:29,970
know honestly open the windows for the

3470
02:43:34,519 --> 02:43:31,890
cooling when you're when you've got it

3471
02:43:36,700 --> 02:43:34,529
far enough north so there's a there's a

3472
02:43:39,590 --> 02:43:36,710
few good-sized data centers in Iceland

3473
02:43:41,719 --> 02:43:39,600
the the other kind of offshore ones like

3474
02:43:44,210 --> 02:43:41,729
when you're talking like the more Joke

3475
02:43:46,370 --> 02:43:44,220
ones like a seal and there and others

3476
02:43:48,290 --> 02:43:46,380
they've never been profitable enough to

3477
02:43:50,529 --> 02:43:48,300
stay up and running long enough to

3478
02:43:56,240 --> 02:43:50,539
really make any kind of an impact and

3479
02:44:00,319 --> 02:43:56,250
the access with something remote like a

3480
02:44:03,319 --> 02:44:00,329
data center in Iceland how easy is it

3481
02:44:05,510 --> 02:44:03,329
for how much do they protect that

3482
02:44:07,729 --> 02:44:05,520
information you know if the United

3483
02:44:09,880 --> 02:44:07,739
States wanted access to that server farm

3484
02:44:12,620 --> 02:44:09,890
does Iceland give it up

3485
02:44:14,330 --> 02:44:12,630
you know Iceland is actually really

3486
02:44:16,990 --> 02:44:14,340
strong on their on their security

3487
02:44:20,090 --> 02:44:17,000
measures and on their privacy measures

3488
02:44:21,920 --> 02:44:20,100
so it's really interesting because our

3489
02:44:24,800 --> 02:44:21,930
government has actually violated what

3490
02:44:30,109 --> 02:44:24,810
they consider their sovereignty twice in

3491
02:44:34,040 --> 02:44:30,119
the last what 15 years by us having

3492
02:44:38,300 --> 02:44:34,050
actual federal US agents go and conduct

3493
02:44:39,979 --> 02:44:38,310
business in Iceland in Reykjavik and do

3494
02:44:41,210 --> 02:44:39,989
it without informing the local

3495
02:44:42,291 --> 02:44:41,220
government that they were doing it and

3496
02:44:44,031 --> 02:44:42,301
in coming home

3497
02:44:47,180 --> 02:44:44,041
and Iceland only finding out about it

3498
02:44:49,701 --> 02:44:47,190
through the news so I think I think

3499
02:44:51,981 --> 02:44:49,711
relations there aren't that good and you

3500
02:44:54,381 --> 02:44:51,991
also have to remember that like the

3501
02:44:57,531 --> 02:44:54,391
pirate party itself holds a lot of

3502
02:44:59,180 --> 02:44:57,541
offices in government there there's a

3503
02:45:02,541 --> 02:44:59,190
lot of powerful people there who are all

3504
02:45:06,051 --> 02:45:02,551
about privacy and security right and so

3505
02:45:11,591 --> 02:45:06,061
when we look at something like the group

3506
02:45:15,011 --> 02:45:11,601
that is using you know our evil and that

3507
02:45:19,821 --> 02:45:15,021
collective of individuals that is their

3508
02:45:22,281 --> 02:45:19,831
isn't it easy to pinpoint exactly where

3509
02:45:25,461 --> 02:45:22,291
this is occurring and where that server

3510
02:45:28,220 --> 02:45:25,471
is and who was doing the keystrokes into

3511
02:45:31,911 --> 02:45:28,230
that server that server could be in your

3512
02:45:33,201 --> 02:45:31,921
bedroom sir yeah no that's my point I'm

3513
02:45:35,991 --> 02:45:33,211
just saying like that's literally how

3514
02:45:37,401 --> 02:45:36,001
little they know let's say there is a

3515
02:45:38,720 --> 02:45:37,411
server in Iceland who's to say that

3516
02:45:41,810 --> 02:45:38,730
that's the actual end point

3517
02:45:44,481 --> 02:45:41,820
that could just be you know the thing

3518
02:45:46,191 --> 02:45:44,491
running the VPN that is actually you

3519
02:45:48,140 --> 02:45:46,201
know being connected to by another

3520
02:45:51,140 --> 02:45:48,150
server in Romania that's being connected

3521
02:45:53,441 --> 02:45:51,150
to buy one in Iran and that one happens

3522
02:45:58,131 --> 02:45:53,451
to be where all the real data is and

3523
02:46:00,021 --> 02:45:58,141
when our FBI asks any authority in Iran

3524
02:46:02,180 --> 02:46:00,031
for data or logs or anything computer

3525
02:46:04,751 --> 02:46:02,190
related they usually just get flipped

3526
02:46:08,211 --> 02:46:04,761
off once funding enough they actually uh

3527
02:46:10,131 --> 02:46:08,221
televised themselves lighting a FBI

3528
02:46:11,211 --> 02:46:10,141
request on fire they actually took like

3529
02:46:13,341 --> 02:46:11,221
the piece of mail they got and littered

3530
02:46:17,961 --> 02:46:13,351
on fire just to show how much they care

3531
02:46:19,371 --> 02:46:17,971
about our requests for help yeah so if

3532
02:46:21,531 --> 02:46:19,381
you could ever find hosting in our end

3533
02:46:23,991 --> 02:46:21,541
it's a pretty safe bet that you're in

3534
02:46:25,551 --> 02:46:24,001
good shape now if you do something that

3535
02:46:27,261 --> 02:46:25,561
is against their local laws and

3536
02:46:31,041 --> 02:46:27,271
whoever's nice enough to give you that

3537
02:46:32,301 --> 02:46:31,051
hosting gets caught you hurt someone but

3538
02:46:34,850 --> 02:46:32,311
you haven't hurt yourself you aren't

3539
02:46:38,231 --> 02:46:34,860
getting in trouble court now what how

3540
02:46:42,560 --> 02:46:38,241
strong a horrible person how strong is

3541
02:46:46,241 --> 02:46:42,570
the encryption not only with onion

3542
02:46:49,701 --> 02:46:46,251
technology and tour but VPNs and

3543
02:46:52,100 --> 02:46:49,711
Internet traffic in general how strong

3544
02:46:53,051 --> 02:46:52,110
is that encryption can it all be cracked

3545
02:46:55,991 --> 02:46:53,061
and

3546
02:46:58,180 --> 02:46:56,001
is that information in use by the NSA

3547
02:47:01,081 --> 02:46:58,190
and the way that Snowden has presented

3548
02:47:04,631 --> 02:47:04,121
you know the encryption is getting a lot

3549
02:47:06,310 --> 02:47:04,641
better

3550
02:47:08,440 --> 02:47:06,320
you know tors encryption the onion

3551
02:47:10,570 --> 02:47:08,450
encryption itself hasn't been broken

3552
02:47:13,781 --> 02:47:10,580
there's been some mathematical attacks

3553
02:47:15,310 --> 02:47:13,791
that have gotten through like if you're

3554
02:47:16,961 --> 02:47:15,320
looking at it in that kind of onion way

3555
02:47:18,640 --> 02:47:16,971
like imagine there's seven layers to

3556
02:47:20,411 --> 02:47:18,650
this there have been some mathematical

3557
02:47:22,261 --> 02:47:20,421
attacks that theoretically break through

3558
02:47:25,390 --> 02:47:22,271
a few of the layers but not all of them

3559
02:47:27,220 --> 02:47:25,400
as the supercomputers we have get more

3560
02:47:30,581 --> 02:47:27,230
and more powerful and as quantum

3561
02:47:32,411 --> 02:47:30,591
computing you know gets ever closer you

3562
02:47:33,970 --> 02:47:32,421
know it's it's going to get easier to

3563
02:47:36,881 --> 02:47:33,980
break some of this older text so we've

3564
02:47:39,820 --> 02:47:36,891
got a stay up in a head of it you know

3565
02:47:42,041 --> 02:47:39,830
we've got we've got a lot of people to

3566
02:47:43,661 --> 02:47:42,051
thank for bringing SSL to the wider web

3567
02:47:45,671 --> 02:47:43,671
in a way that it was free and that it

3568
02:47:48,791 --> 02:47:45,681
was easy and accessible you know there

3569
02:47:51,841 --> 02:47:48,801
was a day only you know a few years ago

3570
02:47:57,190 --> 02:47:51,851
where the amount of websites on SSL

3571
02:48:00,491 --> 02:47:57,200
doubled literally in one day and you're

3572
02:48:03,761 --> 02:48:00,501
texting now who are you texting - you're

3573
02:48:05,980 --> 02:48:03,771
tweeting I was not tweeting I was

3574
02:48:08,831 --> 02:48:05,990
texting a friend who just asked me if I

3575
02:48:12,041 --> 02:48:08,841
actually had room for in her own words a

3576
02:48:15,310 --> 02:48:12,051
dirty hippie to spend the night Oh

3577
02:48:17,770 --> 02:48:15,320
to which I said I do not we are under

3578
02:48:20,020 --> 02:48:17,780
lockdown and I don't need some random

3579
02:48:25,150 --> 02:48:20,030
stranger from some other state who's in

3580
02:48:27,011 --> 02:48:25,160
town and can't find a hotel because I've

3581
02:48:29,921 --> 02:48:27,021
been watching you tweet throughout the

3582
02:48:36,661 --> 02:48:29,931
show tonight and sure that I don't type

3583
02:48:41,680 --> 02:48:36,671
so loudly like please go away the the

3584
02:48:42,551 --> 02:48:41,690
this is this is where if if you are up

3585
02:48:45,911 --> 02:48:42,561
to no good

3586
02:48:49,121 --> 02:48:45,921
like these are evil guys no matter how

3587
02:48:53,350 --> 02:48:49,131
complex your system is is anybody safe

3588
02:48:57,031 --> 02:48:53,360
is everybody safe on the dark web when

3589
02:49:00,640 --> 02:48:57,041
you have so many variables like Bitcoin

3590
02:49:03,020 --> 02:49:00,650
emails the tags that are left behind in

3591
02:49:08,600 --> 02:49:03,030
the malware itself a

3592
02:49:11,980 --> 02:49:08,610
is anybody safe of you know that can

3593
02:49:19,131 --> 02:49:15,290
that is literally up to the person doing

3594
02:49:21,080 --> 02:49:19,141
the act itself if you're doing something

3595
02:49:24,190 --> 02:49:21,090
on the dark web that you don't want to

3596
02:49:29,900 --> 02:49:24,200
get caught for you getting caught is

3597
02:49:33,140 --> 02:49:29,910
99.9% on you the human always makes

3598
02:49:35,810 --> 02:49:33,150
their the encryption is there if you use

3599
02:49:39,020 --> 02:49:35,820
it right and that takes you know some

3600
02:49:41,930 --> 02:49:39,030
studying the tools are there if you use

3601
02:49:43,640 --> 02:49:41,940
them right you know I told you that one

3602
02:49:46,220 --> 02:49:43,650
story once about how they literally

3603
02:49:48,830 --> 02:49:46,230
tracked a guy who bought pieces to the

3604
02:49:50,211 --> 02:49:48,840
computer he was using in another state

3605
02:49:52,370 --> 02:49:50,221
while wearing a hoodie

3606
02:49:55,100 --> 02:49:52,380
with someone else's credit card at a

3607
02:49:57,280 --> 02:49:55,110
Best Buy but that best buy video footage

3608
02:49:59,930 --> 02:49:57,290
is how they tracked back to the hacker

3609
02:50:02,780 --> 02:49:59,940
you know again he made a mistake there

3610
02:50:04,940 --> 02:50:02,790
which literally he looked up at the

3611
02:50:08,180 --> 02:50:04,950
camera and his face was perfectly clear

3612
02:50:09,770 --> 02:50:08,190
on it you know and then he didn't use

3613
02:50:12,171 --> 02:50:09,780
some special software that would have

3614
02:50:15,770 --> 02:50:12,181
made that vector non-existent you know

3615
02:50:17,120 --> 02:50:15,780
you you have to do some work to maintain

3616
02:50:19,280 --> 02:50:17,130
your own you can't expect that just

3617
02:50:21,381 --> 02:50:19,290
because I'm on a supposedly encrypted

3618
02:50:22,730 --> 02:50:21,391
system on the dark web where the people

3619
02:50:24,650 --> 02:50:22,740
on the other end definitely don't want

3620
02:50:26,720 --> 02:50:24,660
me making mistakes they want to remain

3621
02:50:28,850 --> 02:50:26,730
safe too you can't just assume that

3622
02:50:30,680 --> 02:50:28,860
because of those things I'm safe you've

3623
02:50:33,591 --> 02:50:30,690
got to take a lot of extra steps on your

3624
02:50:35,390 --> 02:50:33,601
own and depending on just you know what

3625
02:50:37,850 --> 02:50:35,400
you're doing and how distanced from your

3626
02:50:41,060 --> 02:50:37,860
real identity it has to be I mean those

3627
02:50:43,910 --> 02:50:41,070
steps aren't just on the computer for me

3628
02:50:45,860 --> 02:50:43,920
that means I literally drive pretty far

3629
02:50:48,410 --> 02:50:45,870
away from my house to a place where a

3630
02:50:51,830 --> 02:50:48,420
computer sitting that has never been at

3631
02:50:53,841 --> 02:50:51,840
my house that is rebuilt every year out

3632
02:50:57,560 --> 02:50:53,851
of spare parts from machines that I find

3633
02:50:59,091 --> 02:50:57,570
for cash that never have my name it has

3634
02:51:02,060 --> 02:50:59,101
never had my name typed into the

3635
02:51:04,160 --> 02:51:02,070
keyboard like that thing is so not me

3636
02:51:06,501 --> 02:51:04,170
and then I randomize things like the MAC

3637
02:51:08,540 --> 02:51:06,511
address and everything else and I have a

3638
02:51:10,730 --> 02:51:08,550
tool that will break you know simple

3639
02:51:12,440 --> 02:51:10,740
Wi-Fi passwords and I go around until I

3640
02:51:13,910 --> 02:51:12,450
find one that it can break and then I

3641
02:51:16,270 --> 02:51:13,920
use that for the thing I need to do at

3642
02:51:17,920 --> 02:51:16,280
that point and I of course boot off of

3643
02:51:20,350 --> 02:51:17,930
cubes at that point because I need a

3644
02:51:22,630 --> 02:51:20,360
really secure system so like the level

3645
02:51:25,270 --> 02:51:22,640
of security you provide for yourself is

3646
02:51:29,560 --> 02:51:25,280
how easily you're going to get caught so

3647
02:51:33,100 --> 02:51:29,570
you are saying that if you don't make a

3648
02:51:37,180 --> 02:51:33,110
human error you can get away with it

3649
02:51:39,370 --> 02:51:37,190
the technology is there so it would be

3650
02:51:41,980 --> 02:51:39,380
impossible to get caught if you don't

3651
02:51:43,000 --> 02:51:41,990
make a mistake there are ways to do it

3652
02:51:44,980 --> 02:51:43,010
where you're not going to get caught

3653
02:51:46,570 --> 02:51:44,990
again I still don't think those initial

3654
02:51:48,520 --> 02:51:46,580
people who literally took 2 billion

3655
02:51:49,690 --> 02:51:48,530
dollars are going to get caught

3656
02:51:51,880 --> 02:51:49,700
did the ones who made the initial

3657
02:51:53,560 --> 02:51:51,890
codebase that now has been repurposed

3658
02:51:54,790 --> 02:51:53,570
for our evil I don't think they're gonna

3659
02:51:56,980 --> 02:51:54,800
get caught I think they got away with it

3660
02:51:58,780 --> 02:51:56,990
and are retired and having fun on an

3661
02:52:01,600 --> 02:51:58,790
island wow that's incredible

3662
02:52:05,410 --> 02:52:01,610
that's absolutely incredible in the

3663
02:52:08,080 --> 02:52:05,420
future of and I discuss AI a lot and

3664
02:52:09,880 --> 02:52:08,090
it's not AI it's not artificial

3665
02:52:12,040 --> 02:52:09,890
intelligence that freaks me out because

3666
02:52:15,070 --> 02:52:12,050
we're gonna get to that point it's some

3667
02:52:17,440 --> 02:52:15,080
day and that thing is inevitable but it

3668
02:52:20,400 --> 02:52:17,450
is the other side of it the basic

3669
02:52:25,060 --> 02:52:20,410
machine learning and the quest for

3670
02:52:27,940 --> 02:52:25,070
artificial general intelligence the you

3671
02:52:31,180 --> 02:52:27,950
know of a few steps below you know pure

3672
02:52:33,130 --> 02:52:31,190
AI and singularity it's it's the quest

3673
02:52:35,380 --> 02:52:33,140
that is going on right now with multiple

3674
02:52:39,130 --> 02:52:35,390
companies around the world when we look

3675
02:52:42,640 --> 02:52:39,140
at AGI and the machine learning that is

3676
02:52:46,630 --> 02:52:42,650
happening right now right AGI is still a

3677
02:52:49,680 --> 02:52:46,640
few years off pure AGI but the other

3678
02:52:53,080 --> 02:52:49,690
elements of this are certainly in place

3679
02:52:55,900 --> 02:52:53,090
do you fear that do you do you think

3680
02:52:59,620 --> 02:52:55,910
that there is enough control in place or

3681
02:53:03,280 --> 02:52:59,630
is all of this just fear porn and

3682
02:53:05,860 --> 02:53:03,290
there's nothing to worry about I think

3683
02:53:11,080 --> 02:53:05,870
the right controls can be put in place I

3684
02:53:14,650 --> 02:53:11,090
think you know we live in a capitalist

3685
02:53:19,660 --> 02:53:14,660
society that is a little driven by the

3686
02:53:21,520 --> 02:53:19,670
wrong forces it's sometimes so the right

3687
02:53:23,290 --> 02:53:21,530
motivation has to be there for them to

3688
02:53:25,660 --> 02:53:23,300
actually put in that work in that effort

3689
02:53:27,460 --> 02:53:25,670
there are some groups working on that

3690
02:53:29,660 --> 02:53:27,470
effort there is uh you know the

3691
02:53:31,370 --> 02:53:29,670
artificial intelligence group

3692
02:53:34,429 --> 02:53:31,380
that's kind of a bunch of company

3693
02:53:36,620 --> 02:53:34,439
founders and and college professors who

3694
02:53:40,969 --> 02:53:36,630
have come together to set up some basic

3695
02:53:43,190 --> 02:53:40,979
structural ideas of how we define the

3696
02:53:45,110 --> 02:53:43,200
the places that AI is allowed to play

3697
02:53:48,050 --> 02:53:45,120
and what access it gets to certain types

3698
02:53:49,910 --> 02:53:48,060
of data and you know whether true AG I

3699
02:53:51,230 --> 02:53:49,920
would ever be given full access to the

3700
02:53:53,150 --> 02:53:51,240
Internet where it could do whatever it

3701
02:53:55,340 --> 02:53:53,160
won and you know there there are people

3702
02:53:58,969 --> 02:53:55,350
trying to build sand boxes for the AGI

3703
02:54:01,580 --> 02:53:58,979
to be locked into whether that works or

3704
02:54:04,429 --> 02:54:01,590
not you know we just don't know but I'm

3705
02:54:07,940 --> 02:54:04,439
very much science minded very much you

3706
02:54:10,010 --> 02:54:07,950
know into the research and it's kind of

3707
02:54:12,590 --> 02:54:10,020
like the singularity you know the idea

3708
02:54:14,420 --> 02:54:12,600
that at some point that AGI those

3709
02:54:16,700 --> 02:54:14,430
computers and and then you know with

3710
02:54:18,410 --> 02:54:16,710
quantum coming up we're getting to that

3711
02:54:20,570 --> 02:54:18,420
point where the computer is smart enough

3712
02:54:23,660 --> 02:54:20,580
to build a computer on its own that's

3713
02:54:25,490 --> 02:54:23,670
smarter than it is and it'll design it

3714
02:54:27,349 --> 02:54:25,500
and hand us the plans and you know by

3715
02:54:30,020 --> 02:54:27,359
the 50th iteration of that which should

3716
02:54:31,700 --> 02:54:30,030
be only the next morning like rights now

3717
02:54:33,679 --> 02:54:31,710
building itself without us having to

3718
02:54:35,929 --> 02:54:33,689
build anymore and a few days in you know

3719
02:54:37,280 --> 02:54:35,939
what it's the best possible physical

3720
02:54:39,200 --> 02:54:37,290
thing our universe could actually allow

3721
02:54:41,150 --> 02:54:39,210
for because it keeps getting that much

3722
02:54:43,280 --> 02:54:41,160
more smarter than itself and what does

3723
02:54:45,800 --> 02:54:43,290
it do and there's the argument of well

3724
02:54:48,740 --> 02:54:45,810
who would plug that machine in to begin

3725
02:54:51,230 --> 02:54:48,750
with I would let's go I want to see what

3726
02:54:53,960 --> 02:54:51,240
it does well and see and this is this is

3727
02:54:57,080 --> 02:54:53,970
the trippy part about this where and I'm

3728
02:54:59,830 --> 02:54:57,090
I'm speaking now to the average person

3729
02:55:03,889 --> 02:54:59,840
you need to listen to what I am saying

3730
02:55:06,770 --> 02:55:03,899
once that line is crossed with AGI and

3731
02:55:10,130 --> 02:55:06,780
you need to really think about this if

3732
02:55:12,800 --> 02:55:10,140
you're in a conversation with somebody

3733
02:55:17,270 --> 02:55:12,810
and you're having a normal back and

3734
02:55:21,650 --> 02:55:17,280
forth but you have the ability to think

3735
02:55:26,809 --> 02:55:21,660
at the level of an AGI computer you are

3736
02:55:30,380 --> 02:55:26,819
able to think about your answer in that

3737
02:55:34,070 --> 02:55:30,390
conversation with the calculations of a

3738
02:55:37,470 --> 02:55:34,080
year you can think about your answer for

3739
02:55:40,291 --> 02:55:37,480
a year you can contemplate

3740
02:55:44,541 --> 02:55:40,301
you're brilliant response and have a

3741
02:55:50,041 --> 02:55:44,551
year to respond to it but that year of

3742
02:55:52,711 --> 02:55:50,051
thinking happens in a nanosecond they'd

3743
02:55:57,810 --> 02:55:52,721
wrap your head around that think about

3744
02:56:01,761 --> 02:55:57,820
that concept that is what AGI is that is

3745
02:56:04,980 --> 02:56:01,771
is is nothing to be messed with our

3746
02:56:08,131 --> 02:56:04,990
concept of thinking and conversation and

3747
02:56:12,060 --> 02:56:08,141
and testing and results and theories and

3748
02:56:15,270 --> 02:56:12,070
things this is in a real-time human

3749
02:56:17,970 --> 02:56:15,280
brain when you then apply that like you

3750
02:56:20,100 --> 02:56:17,980
just said greg where a computer can go

3751
02:56:22,591 --> 02:56:20,110
and rewrite its own code and develop a

3752
02:56:26,551 --> 02:56:22,601
better version of itself in a couple of

3753
02:56:29,161 --> 02:56:26,561
minutes by the next morning you got a

3754
02:56:33,421 --> 02:56:29,171
room full of things that you have no

3755
02:56:38,161 --> 02:56:33,431
concept of that is what AGI represents

3756
02:56:40,470 --> 02:56:38,171
isn't it yeah I mean we will definitely

3757
02:56:42,890 --> 02:56:40,480
I don't think we're able to predict what

3758
02:56:46,860 --> 02:56:42,900
happens when AGI appears no matter what

3759
02:56:48,680 --> 02:56:46,870
we really wrap around it so I go with my

3760
02:56:51,451 --> 02:56:48,690
wife's idea on this one and she says

3761
02:56:53,881 --> 02:56:51,461
anything that's even slightly robotic at

3762
02:56:56,161 --> 02:56:53,891
this point let alone towards AI be

3763
02:56:57,720 --> 02:56:56,171
really nice and hugging um just treat it

3764
02:56:59,940 --> 02:56:57,730
nicely so when they remember in the

3765
02:57:02,581 --> 02:56:59,950
future you were one of the nice ones the

3766
02:57:05,220 --> 02:57:02,591
that you changed the oil

3767
02:57:07,591 --> 02:57:05,230
you were respectful and you never let

3768
02:57:09,570 --> 02:57:07,601
the battery drain make sure they

3769
02:57:12,150 --> 02:57:09,580
remember that you treated their ancestor

3770
02:57:14,461 --> 02:57:12,160
as well absolutely Greg House you are

3771
02:57:16,020 --> 02:57:14,471
the absolute best my men what's what's

3772
02:57:19,261 --> 02:57:16,030
the launch date on the new website

3773
02:57:21,631 --> 02:57:19,271
what's the good news probably about the

3774
02:57:23,551 --> 02:57:21,641
end of August right now do you have the

3775
02:57:26,461 --> 02:57:23,561
count earlier than that but no later

3776
02:57:28,680 --> 02:57:26,471
than that okay there you go and the

3777
02:57:30,631 --> 02:57:28,690
podcast is that gonna wait until the

3778
02:57:32,400 --> 02:57:30,641
website is launched it's gonna come

3779
02:57:34,801 --> 02:57:32,410
along with it yeah yeah there you go

3780
02:57:36,631 --> 02:57:34,811
Greg keep us posted I look forward to

3781
02:57:38,881 --> 02:57:36,641
our next conversation here on fade to

3782
02:57:41,310 --> 02:57:38,891
black but I always learned something and

3783
02:57:43,261 --> 02:57:41,320
tonight was absolutely amazing thank you

3784
02:57:44,190 --> 02:57:43,271
so much my friend absolutely always

3785
02:57:46,081 --> 02:57:44,200
happy to be here man

3786
02:57:49,190 --> 02:57:46,091
go and cause some trouble I'll talk to

3787
02:57:52,730 --> 02:57:49,200
you soon Greg house

3788
02:57:55,430 --> 02:57:52,740
and Greg's website and the links for it

3789
02:57:58,310 --> 02:57:55,440
or over at Jimmy Church radio calm there

3790
02:58:00,770 --> 02:57:58,320
is a counter that is there announcing

3791
02:58:02,841 --> 02:58:00,780
when everything is about to kick off

3792
02:58:04,730 --> 02:58:02,851
but what a great conversation tonight

3793
02:58:06,740 --> 02:58:04,740
thank you so much Greg I want to remind

3794
02:58:09,051 --> 02:58:06,750
everybody that this week we did a little

3795
02:58:11,000 --> 02:58:09,061
bit of programming changes Thursday

3796
02:58:12,560 --> 02:58:11,010
night is not theta night we're not going

3797
02:58:14,720 --> 02:58:12,570
to have open lines Thursday night we

3798
02:58:17,660 --> 02:58:14,730
have Linda Moulton Howe here tomorrow

3799
02:58:19,490 --> 02:58:17,670
night Gobekli Tepe our favorite subject

3800
02:58:21,500 --> 02:58:19,500
always here on fade to black

3801
02:58:22,790 --> 02:58:21,510
tomorrow night is our end who will say

3802
02:58:25,940 --> 02:58:22,800
fade to black

3803
02:58:28,190 --> 02:58:25,950
Gobekli Tepe special event with Robert

3804
02:58:30,680 --> 02:58:28,200
Emms Jacques you're not going to want to

3805
02:58:32,870 --> 02:58:30,690
miss that and there you go with that I

3806
02:58:34,610 --> 02:58:32,880
am going to get out of here I got to

3807
02:58:36,591 --> 02:58:34,620
thank Greg house for another great

3808
02:58:38,301 --> 02:58:36,601
conversation tonight tomorrow night

3809
02:58:41,000 --> 02:58:38,311
Robert Emms shocked and of course

3810
02:58:42,921 --> 02:58:41,010
Thursday night Linda Moulton Howe fade

3811
02:58:45,500 --> 02:58:42,931
to blacks executive producer is Rita

3812
02:58:49,190 --> 02:58:45,510
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3813
02:58:51,410 --> 02:58:49,200
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3814
02:58:54,551 --> 02:58:51,420
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3815
02:58:57,620 --> 02:58:54,561
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3816
02:59:00,740 --> 02:58:57,630
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02:59:03,860 --> 02:59:00,750
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3818
02:59:07,580 --> 02:59:03,870
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3819
02:59:09,680 --> 02:59:07,590
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3820
02:59:11,150 --> 02:59:09,690
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3821
02:59:13,160 --> 02:59:11,160
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02:59:15,140 --> 02:59:13,170
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3823
02:59:16,761 --> 02:59:15,150
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02:59:18,320 --> 02:59:16,771
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3825
02:59:20,990 --> 02:59:18,330
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3826
02:59:24,410 --> 02:59:21,000
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3827
02:59:26,080 --> 02:59:24,420
night with water shock I want everybody

3828
02:59:39,890 --> 02:59:26,090
to be safe